(Now those are two posts that *I* never saw, Ben! I see in the archives the first one was posted yesterday). Harold, "Crapware" is a good analogy. I can't speak for the "HP maintenance" tool, but all those other cleaner type programs really should not be run, UNTIL you have a problem that can't otherwise be fixed. (Of course the anti-malware "cleaners" not withstanding). As I and many others here have stated; they can cause more problems than they fix. Whether or not the HP Maintenance tool is needed, and can be trusted, would of course depend on what it does. I'm doubtful it can really do anything that's really helpful, plus it's probably running in the background all time, and with another Service. Now one tool that I HAVE run, is the ERUNT Registry optimizer tool, NTREGOPT. It didn't mess up anything and was able to compact it and the hives. (Ah, I see why I never got the posts, Harold put "Ch1na" in it: "I fly through the internet faster than Phelps flies the length of the pool in Ch1na". I have that word filtered due to rampant spam and cyber-terrorism from that country. INDEED! 3 golds and 3 world records, amazing. Yes, I'm also pulling for Canada, Peter ;-), and our other friends). -Clint God Bless Clint Hamilton, Owner http://www.OrpheusComputing.com http://www.ComputersCustomBuilt.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Harold B." Thank you. I got it off the computer with no problem resulting. I never bothered to look carefully at what updates were offered; all that was apparent was that I had no need for that "PCTuneUp folder. Computer still works fine (especially with that DSL). The only computer maintenance programs I am using these days are (I actually have a folder in my Start Menu which I call "Computer Care" with these shortcuts, and all freebies): In a subfolder I call "system cleaning" ... BeClean, Disk Cleanup, HDValet, Internet Options, and Space Odyssey In a subfolder I call "registry cleaning" ...:EasyCleaner, Erunt along with NtRegOpt, RegCleaner, and RegSeeker In a subfolder I call "malware cleaning" ... AVG, Ad-aware, CW Shredder, HijackThis, Spybot, and ZoneAlarm. I also keep a subfolder called "backup cleaning" where I have shortcuts to the backup folders and logs for many of the above; They, too, need emptying out once in awhile (at least, that's what I think) In addition, in that same "Computer Care" folder I have a subfolder I call "System Information" where I have shortcuts to Belarc Advisor, PC Doctor, and a couple of other applets that are ready to tell me more about my computer than I could ever understand. I could have included Aida32 and SoftSandra *s* but enough is enough. In the last reformat, I omitted installing her/them whatever. So bottom line, I certainly don't need what Hugh so descriptively calls "crapware" (Crapware, keep away from me). > From: Hugh Vandervoort <> > That sounds like the usual "Crapware" that comes with a new > computer, most > of which can be safely deleted. What kind of updates are > offered? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Harold B." <> > Hello again ... <snip>. Question ... In my Windows XP, in my > "C:\hp\PC > Tune Up and Repair\maintenance.exe" I have this "Maintenance" > applet which > when using it, seems to just lead me to, if I want, purchase > different > updates. It doesn't really do anything for my computer. That > "hp" folder > can only be accessed when making all files visible, but a > shortcut to that > target easily gets there, once a shortcut is made. Do I need > this > maintenance applet? --- Harold ========================= The list's FAQ's can be seen by sending an email to PCWorks-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with FAQ in the subject line. To unsubscribe, subscribe, set Digest or Vacation to on or off, go to //www.freelists.org/list/pcworks . You can also send an email to PCWorks-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with Unsubscribe in the subject line. Your member list settings can be found at //www.freelists.org/cgi-bin/lsg2.cgi/l=pcworks . Once logged in, you have access to numerous other email options. The list archives are located at //www.freelists.org/archives/pcworks/ . All email posted to the list will be placed there in the event anyone needs to look for previous posts. -zxdjhu-