Considering your reputation on SQL tuning issues, I am not going to ask WHY you would want to do such a thing :) Maybe this is not the right way to look at it, but when I write statements with the new syntax, I interpret it this way: a inner join b using (id) inner join c ... /* at this point I am joining c to the "row" created by joining a and b , so I can use columns from a AND b */ Your example would be select A.x, B.y, C.z from A inner join B on ( A.x = B.x ) inner join C on ( A.x = C.x and B.x = C.x ) ; Of course, without looking at the execution plan of the devious example you have no doubt set up, I can't tell you if this is really equivalent. Example: SQL> select t1.value, t2.value, t3.value 2 from t1 3 inner join t2 on (t1.id = t2.id) 4 inner join t3 on (t1.id = t3.id and t2.id = t3.id) ; VALUE VALUE VALUE ---------- ---------- ---------- one un eins six six sechs seven sept sieben (using these tables) drop table t1 ; drop table t2 ; drop table t3 ; create table t1 (id number, value varchar2 (10)) ; create table t2 (id number, value varchar2 (10)) ; create table t3 (id number, value varchar2 (10)) ; insert into t1 (id, value) select 1, 'one' from dual union all select 2, 'two' from dual union all select 3, 'three' from dual union all select 4, 'four' from dual union all select 5, 'five' from dual union all select 6, 'six' from dual union all select 7, 'seven' from dual ; insert into t2 (id, value) select 1, 'un' from dual union all select 3, 'trois' from dual union all select 5, 'cinq' from dual union all select 6, 'six' from dual union all select 7, 'sept' from dual union all select 8, 'huit' from dual union all select 9, 'neuf' from dual union all select 10, 'dix' from dual ; insert into t3 (id, value) select 1, 'eins' from dual union all select 2, 'zwei' from dual union all select 4, 'vier' from dual union all select 6, 'sechs' from dual union all select 7, 'sieben' from dual union all select 8, 'acht' from dual union all select 10, 'zehn' from dual union all select 11, 'elf' from dual union all select 12, 'zwoelf' from dual ; commit ; -----Message d'origine----- De : Wolfgang Breitling [mailto:breitliw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] Envoyé : mercredi, 18. octobre 2006 12:55 À : Jacques Kilchoer Cc : oracle-l Objet : RE: should one use ANSI join syntax when writing an Oracle application? Quoting Jacques Kilchoer <Jacques.Kilchoer@xxxxxxxxx>: I need some help here. How do I code a full transitive closure join with the new syntax? In the traditional syntax I can say: select A.x, B.y, C.z from A, B, C where A.x = B.x and B.x = C.x and A.x = C.x / How do I do that with the newfangled syntax. When I try select A.x, B.y, C.z from A inner join B on ( A.x = B.x ) inner join C on ( B.x = C.x ) inner join C on ( A.x = C.x ) ; I get select A.x, B.y, C.z * ERROR at line 1: ORA-00918: column ambiguously defined > And to answer this question: converting from the traditional syntax to newer > ANSI syntax is easy, use the inner join and on keywords. > > select ... from A, B where A.x < B.y > becomes > select ... from A inner join B on ( A.x < B.y ) > > select ... from A, B where A.x between B.y and B.z > becomes > select ... from A inner join B on ( A.x between B.y and B.z ) > -- regards Wolfgang Breitling Oracle 7,8,8i,9i OCP DBA Centrex Consulting Corporation www.centrexcc.com -- //www.freelists.org/webpage/oracle-l