RE: Standy database on standard edition

  • From: "Patterson, Joel" <jpatterson@xxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: "dbvision@xxxxxxxxxxxx" <dbvision@xxxxxxxxxxxx>, "oracle-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <oracle-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2013 09:46:43 -0400

The SR analyst has essentially sent me to 
http://docs.oracle.com/cd/E11882_01/license.112/e10594/editions.htm which was 
not entirely unexpected.   So I'm pushing back to see if I can get a 
commitment.   It is rather a mute point at the moment since Data Guard is not 
available on Standard Edition.

As to your remarks, I thought someone would say that.  It's a windows machine 
and when the services start the database starts.   He has some tools that 
creates the database, and/or exports/imports his schema, so it sounds like the 
product is as self-contained as possible.

I mentioned early on that it is an embedded license so the application and the 
database are sold as a licensed unit.   Vendor sells to client, client doesn't 
want to do the care and feeding.   It is apparently very restricted but with 
caveats for 'automated' processes, or 3rd party processes or something to that 
affect.

Just remember, I don't know what the details are, and I am not communicating 
directly, but indirectly, and I am sure that something is being left out or 
lost in translation -- I was just curious for some clarifications and opinions, 
especially since Data Guard and standby are very close.  One is just better at 
doing the job.



Joel Patterson
Database Administrator
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From: oracle-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:oracle-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On 
Behalf Of Nuno Souto
Sent: Friday, June 14, 2013 8:19 AM
To: oracle-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Standy database on standard edition

On 14/06/2013 9:37 PM, Patterson, Joel wrote:
> Its news to me.  I don't talk to the vendor, or the client directly -- but 
> doubt if I would argue against his licensing opinions even if I suspect they 
> are misplaced.     He says even sqlplus cannot be used...

That would indeed be a first in Oracle licensing!  sqlplus is essential to 
start and shutdown and manage the db, even if OEM is being used.  I suspect 
there is something else weird going on there.  Perhaps the Oracle licensing was 
provided as an embedded part of a third party application from the supplier?  
If so, then indeed the licensing will be very  restricted.  As in: nothing but 
the kernel code will be licensed.




> ???
>
> Backups can be done by a 3rd party tool which could mean home grown or 
> purchased I suppose -- but not rman...   I'm just not going there, it is what 
> it is.
>

Yeah, if it is an embedded license you'll need a third party tool for just 
about everything.  Very weird, I didn't know Oracle was still doing that sort 
of thing.  Was all the rage back in the 80s but people wised up after that.

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