Yes, I like my backups to be recoverable :) I was just pointing out the caveat that they're not included if you just run "backup database". It seems to me that it would be a good idea to make the backup command include archivelogs by default and only have an option to exclude them if desired for some reason - maybe in 12x. From: Goulet, Richard [mailto:Richard.Goulet@xxxxxxxxxxx] True, don't you include the archive logs in the backup set?? ________________________________ Privileged/Confidential Information may be contained in this message or attachments hereto. Please advise immediately if you or your employer do not consent to Internet email for messages of this kind. Opinions, conclusions and other information in this message that do not relate to the official business of this company shall be understood as neither given nor endorsed by it.