Yes, I believe you are correct and the pattern has been set. It is also what is referred to by some as 'gravity'. (It just is and it is not going to go away, so one expects that it will get better). Joel Patterson Database Administrator 904 727-2546 ________________________________ From: alanbort@xxxxxxxxx [mailto:alanbort@xxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Guillermo Alan Bort Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 9:58 AM To: Patterson, Joel Cc: oracle-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: My Oracle Support This is just like 8.0, 9.0, 10.1 and 11.1... Oracle never gets it quiet right on the first release... then when R2 comes out... it's all good and joy (OAS not withstanding) cheers Alan Bort Oracle Certified Professional