Al Limberg wrote: >If you buy an original painting, unless you buy the copyright >as well, you cannot reproduce the painting -- e.g. by >photocopying it. Banks who want a pretty calendar to give >to their customers often make this mistake. Okay, but I'm not saying I want to cheat or steal anything. If I own a painting (or even if I don't own it, within certain limits), I can make copies for my own personal, non-commercial use, for example to include in a school term paper. And I can hang it up or not, without the artist having any say. I would be equally obnoxed if a painting I bought had some sort of coating on it that prevented me from such perfectly legitimate uses, only because it might be possible for someone to make copies for illegal uses. Or if I were required to hang it up in my home in plain view "or else." This Philips scheme is similar, in that it allows the broadcaster to make worst-case assumptions on my intentions, and prevent me from doing what custom, the FCC, and even the courts have said is okay. Which includes copying for time-shift purposes and switching channels whenever I durned well please. Imagine trying to catch a newcast at the last minute, and being prevented to do so because some idiotic ad is airing on the channel you're tuned to. Or, as Tom suggested, one broadcaster obnoxiously airing a long string of ads at the top of the hour, to prevent my recorder from switching to the next channel in its schedule. Mind you, if a cable or DBS company used such boxes in *their* nets, or USDTV for their own subchannels, I would be far less indignant. Those are closed, proprietary systems, so anything goes. The box is being sold to the cable operator, not to the consumer, in that case. The operator, as customer has a say. Bert _________________________________________________________________ Don?t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You can UNSUBSCRIBE from the OpenDTV list in two ways: - Using the UNSUBSCRIBE command in your user configuration settings at FreeLists.org - By sending a message to: opendtv-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the subject line.