> On Feb 6, 2014, at 7:16 PM, "Manfredi, Albert E" > <albert.e.manfredi@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > That's absurd, Craig. You get lost in uninformed, vague generalities. The > existence of guard bands is not a conspiracy against competition. With analog > TV especially, the Europeans have the same situation as we did, with respect > to locally unused frequency bands. You need these to provide > interference-free, continuous coverage. (And, in fact, local low power > stations can and do use those guard bands, in intervening markets.) It's all about power levels Bert. VHF is more problematic, as it can skip over water, further restricting where that channel can be reused. I was just pointing out that there were alternatives. Low power licenses could have been used early on to add local channels, but they were not authorized until 1982. > Even that isn't true. Isn't the government redefining what constitutes an > MVPD service, to allow OTT sites to compete against the entrenched TV > providers? No. At least they have not done so yet. The only "noise" so far is that they might extend program access rules to the Internet, as they did to enable the DBS service. And you saw what that did in terms of competition; just another expensive MVPD. What make you think it will be any different if the FCC does the same for OTT services? > Yes. Didn't the government force DTV receivers to be embedded in TV sets? Yes, but what's your point? These receivers only work with DTV broadcasts, and not very well at that. This has been a huge waste of taxpayer money that did little to help terrestrial broadcasters compete; the primary beneficiaries were the ATSC & MPEG-2 patent holders. Most consumers never used them, and they are completely useless to view MVPD and OTT programming. > Yes. Both of these increased competition. It doesn't matter whether a lot of > the new channels show old movies. The government is not forcing them to only > show old movies. How they will compete is changing day by day. Neither increased competition. There are now 2 to 3 choices of an MVPD service in most areas, but prices still keep rising in lock step. What else would you expect from an oligopoly? Broadcasters got the ability to multicast, but this actually allowed for consolidation, as many UHF channels that carried the second tier networks lost them to channels that carry the big four broadcast networks. The Broadcast Networks continue to lose viewers to alternatives, despite the ability to deliver HDTV and multicasts. The only programming that is hanging on is live sports, which is increasingly moving into the walled gardens. > Verizon FiOS competing against Cox and Comcast, when providing MPEG-2 TS > broadcast channels, is merely a small transitional sideshow. Haven't you > heard about Internet TV? Get past this MVPD obsession, Craig. It's not my obsession Bert. It is the current reality. More than 80% of U.S. homes still subscribe to a MVPD service. More high value content is moving behind the pay walls. The MVPDs also largely control the ISP duopoly. And you need a MVPD subscripton to watch content that is exclusive to the MVPD services via the Internet. Netflix, Amazon, iTunes et al are replacing packaged media sales and rentals, and provide the congloms with a new market to which they can sell retread programming. > The only alternative, to make you happy, would have been free use of the IP. > Yes, sometimes that works too. But paying royalties for IP is not "a barrier > to competition," but rather "the cost of doing business." The alternative that actually happened Bert was to create a new standard that is much more efficient than MPEG-2, and license it with reasonable terms. This has allowed the manufacturer(s) of your PC/TV setup, EVERY new mobile platform, and OTT devices like Roku, Apple TV, and Chromecast to support the latest standards at a tiny fraction of the cost to support ATSC and MPEG-2. For example, Apple shipped 51 million iPhones, 26 million iPads, 4.8 million Macs and 6 million iPods in the last quarter alone. The total license cost PER YEAR for the AVC/h.264 portfolio is capped at $6.5 million, thus the license cost per device is measured in pennies. The license cost for these devices to support MPEG-2 is $2.50 per device, or more than $200 million, and this does not include ATSC royalties, that would apply if you put ATSC tuners in these devices. Clearly the proper way to look at the ATSC and MPEG-2 standards is the "cost to protect an entrenched business." I wrote: >> Compare this to the ATSC standard, which was already outdated by >> the time most consumers bought a HDTV. I would note that Bert >> rightfully pointed out the critical role that standards play in >> enabling the Internet transport of bits. We asked the FCC to do >> the same with DTV - i.e. just standardize the modulation and >> transport layers. > > Craig continues to misunderstand what it takes to create a useful > communications standard. Thank goodness the FCC had a clearer understanding. This is pure BULL*#^= Bert. OTT services delivered via the Internet are PROOF that we understood what was possible with "digital." What we predicted and asked the FCC to do, has in fact happened. As I noted before, standardizing only the modulation and transport layers would not have prevented broadcasters from implementing the ATSC standard. As it turned out, broadcasters failed to implement many features of the ATSC standard that the FCC adopted. > The Internet is used only to "carry bits," as Craig says. But applications > that run over the Internet must agree on encoding standards. So, even in the > early days of the Internet, users on each end had to agree how characters, > numerals, entire documents, spreadsheets, graphics, etc., were going to be > encoded. Or they wouldn't be able to communicate. The Internet Protocols > didn't care, but the end users did. At first, this was a mess. IT WAS VERY > COMMON TO RECEIVE FILES OVER THE INTERNET THAT YOU COULDN'T DECODE. De-facto > standards were not yet widespread, except at best ASCII text. Eventually, > de-facto standards such as Lotus 123, WordPerfect, Adobe Acrobat, MS Word, > emerged. (Wow! Just like Flash Player! What a concept!) Yup! And yet the marketplace resolved ALL of these issues WITHOUT the government stepping in to mandate standards.... By the way, most of your examples have NOTHING to do with the Internet - everything you list except Flash existed before the Web was created. They were all computer applications. Even The technologies that became Flash were developed as a framework for multimedia delivery via shiny discs running on PCs. Moving files across LANs came before the Internet - in fact, compatibility issues in organizations were a major factor behind the entrenchment of Windows and Office in the Enterprise. > > *But*, with DTV, the FCC had to create an APPLICATION, Craig, not just the > pipe. The FCC had to create a standard way that EVERYONE could buy a TV and > expect it to work. The ATSC had to standardize all the way up to the > application layer. Again I call BULL*#^= Bert. The FCC did not have a clue - that's why they created the Advisory Committee on Advanced Television Services. Remember, the FCC thought they were creating an analog HDTV Standard until 1992. I spent a great deal of time at the FCC educating staff and Commissioners about the reasons digital DID NOT require end-to-end standards, as was the case for analog standards. To drive this point home, the FCC removed the infamous Table 3 of formats from the standard they adopted, correctly noting that the MPEG-2 standard does not rely on formats, but instead is only constrained by a maximum encoded bit rate (raster x frame rate). But the manufacturers ignored this and only implemented a subset of the MPEG-2 standard. OTT video clearly demonstrates we were right. As a result you can watch video from around the world, initially captured by a variety of analog and digital formats at multiple frame rates. You cannot do that with an integrated ATSC receiver. > And even then, Craig thought the ATSC had developed a "point solution." Not > true, but in his defense, few people back then understood then what layered > protocol standards were. In fact, right from the start, the ATSC added SD > formats and, with publication of A/90, all manner of other possibilities > opened up. Sorry Bert, but everyone fully understood the benefits of layered protocols. The web had not been invented yet, but Internet e-mail, file exchange, and discussion groups were in full bloom by 1992 and everyone involved in that DTV standards process was using these communications tools. How could we have proposed only standardizing the modulation and transport layers, if people did not understand what we were asking for? The DTV standards process started as a defensive measure to protect the "broadcast spectrum." It ended as a defensive measure to protect a misguided HDTV standard that Japan Inc. spent hundreds of millions to advance. > I'm afraid that your misconceptions lead you to erroneous conclusions. No misconceptions. No erroneous conclusions. No regrets. Everything we said would happen has happened, yet the full benefits cannot be realized because the oligopolies were allowed to protect their walled gardens, and continue to do so. Be thankful your TV has an HDMI input so you can bypass the useless crap and access the almighty Internet. 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