[opendtv] Re: Congress, the FCC & Internet Privacy: A Path to Protecting Americans Online | National Review
- From: Craig Birkmaier <brewmastercraig@xxxxxxxxxx>
- To: opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2017 09:26:35 -0400
On Apr 9, 2017, at 6:27 PM, Manfredi, Albert E <albert.e.manfredi@xxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
Maybe you missed this part:
I hardly missed, it Craig. It's the part I found disingenuous.
Disingenuous?
The FACT that ISPs have less access to our personal data because it is
encrypted as it passes through their routers?
The FACT that most of us use multiple ISPs to access the Internet at home, when
we are mobile, and when we connect to public hot spots?
Sounds more like YOU are "disconnected" from reality.
So the reality is that most consumers, like myself, use multiple networks
to connect to the Internet; home broadband, cellular broadband, and a
range of WiFi hot spots connected to a variety of ISPs.
You use a variety of WiFi hotspots and ISPs to connect to the Internet from
home? Really Craig?
Are you really that incapable of understanding plain English Bert?
This could explain a lot...
The reality is that IF you use encrypted web services, they are encrypted
only for individual services. So your browsing habits are easily seen by the
ISP. For example, you go to your bank's web site, and THEN you launch the
encrypted session. The vast majority of people do not access all their
Internet browsing through an encrypted tunnel, through a firewall, and then
from proxies within a secure enclave.
Maybe you need to start using an ecosystem that actually protects your privacy
Bert...
http://www.apple.com/privacy/approach-to-privacy/#personalization
The reality is that the amount of competition, for home broadband service, is
quite limited, and quite sticky too. You might have two choices, if you're
lucky, and switching is a hassle and a half. There is *nothing* wrong with
having these monopolistic companies tell their subscribers how they monitor
your activity, and to whom they sell the information. Even if your greeting
card website, or your free WiFi at Starbucks, isn't compelled to.
Uhhhhh Bert...
Everyone is obligated to inform you about the ways they use your data. You
cannot use a service without agreeing to their privacy policies. When you log
onto the Wi-Fi/broadband service at a hotel you must agree to their privacy
policies. The same is true when you set up home broadband with those
monopolistic companies.
Sorry...
That is why we have wide range of internet services with varying
levels of privacy and security.
Exactly. I wonder why you didn't get that sooner. So, O'Rielly was indulging
in hyperbole, when he pretended not to get it. What goes for your
monopolistic home broadband service does not necessarily have to apply to all
web sites. Duh!
So you are advocating for an uneven playing field...
First of all, privacy, transparency, and net neutrality, are all included
under the same umbrella, so there is not bait and switch going on, Craig. And
Pai himself is mainly going after privacy and transparency, not so much net
neutrality. The NYT likes to pretend not to know this, but that doesn't mean
we too should shut off our brains too.
Sorry, but you are confused. Net Neutrality has NOTHING to do with privacy.
But the decision to treat broadband as a common carrier under Title II opened
Pandora's Box. It gave the FCC the authority to regulate other aspects of the
Internet, like the privacy rules that Congress and the FCC just eliminated.
Both Pai and the NYTimes have made it clear that this FCC plans to reverse the
Title II decision. It remains to be see how this will be accomplished.
Commissioner O'Reilly suggests that Congress legislate a solution to deal with
both Net Neutrality and privacy. Pai tells us that the Commission may deal with
this. The fact that the Title II decision is currently being appealed
complicates the process.
In addition, and this too is belaboring the obvious, that quote from the NYT
article is plainly, what's the word I'm looking for, stupid! **OBVIOUSY** no
one is demanding Title II **now**. It has already happened.
I think the point being made is that this was never a significant issue until
Obama pushed Wheeler into regulating the Internet. As I explained, the record
number of comments to the proceeding were themselves a testament to the fact
that the Internet has enabled special interests to flood the FCC with comments.
The companies screaming loudest about Net Neutrality were Netflix and others
who wanted ISPs to pay for their transport. Those issues were largely resolved
BEFORE the Title II decision.
You don't keep demanding something you already have, for pete's sake.
Fortunately, Pai has already expressed his views on neutrality, and they are
not to undo neutrality. If the FCC attempted that, they would get as many
millions of e-mails as they got to make Wheeler change his mind on this topic.
Really?
https://www.wsj.com/articles/fcc-chief-ajit-pai-develops-plans-to-roll-back-net-neutrality-rules-1491527590
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/05/technology/trumps-fcc-quickly-targets-net-neutrality-rules.html?_r=0
http://www.theverge.com/2017/4/7/15215316/fcc-ajit-pai-net-neutrality-title-ii-plans-roll-back
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/04/07/report-fcc-chairman-pai-planning-a-fast-repeal-of-net-neutrality/
And need I remind you about your recent comments about the media losing
credibility with endless stories about how the FCC is destroying our privacy?
Pai ALREADY ended the proceeding about zero rating, which some of the Net
Neutrality zealots claimed to be a net neutrality violation.
The reality is that ANY special interest can now spam the FCC with comments.
And let's give Wheeler a little credit; he knew that the high volume of
comments were not representative of reality. He also knew that the President
had his back and was pushing for Title II, knowing that the DC Court of Appeals
would uphold the decision.
Whether the precise tool the FCC wants to use is Title II, or something
different, Pai has indicated that neutrality per se is needed. And as I have
said many times, we have had more than century of neutrality laws imposed on
telephone networks, so there's absolutely no reason to feign utter
cluelessness as to why the same should apply to the Internet of today. This
is hardly something brand new. It's something the vast majority of people
EXPECT.
ACTUALLY, Pai is asking for the industry to do what already existed before the
Title II decision - to VOLUNTARILY agree to the principle of Net Neutrality,
and to revert to FTC enforcement of this voluntary agreement.
From the Verge article link above:
The plans will likely please Republicans, who have complained of the FCC’s
overreach since the commission’s 2015 order moved ISP jurisdiction away from
the FTC, and enshrined net neutrality laws as they stand today. The new rules
would supposedly see telecom companies voluntarily pledging to follow the
principles of net neutrality, providing equal access to all traffic, with
offenders receiving some form of punishment for unfair practices from the
FTC.
But while the WSJ says Pai’s plans will preserve the basic principles of net
neutrality, giving oversight of the broadband industry back to the FTC would
likely end Title II net neutrality as we know it. In order to do its job
under Pai’s supposed rules, the FTC would need Title II to be rolled back, as
the body is prohibited from investigating “common carriers” — exactly the
kind of enterprise ISPs are qualified as under current rules.
Regards
Craig
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