John Shutt wrote: > The problem with the ATSC guidelines is that it is > very difficult to put into words the reception > behavior of the Zenith 5th gen chips. Are you sure, John? This might have been true back in the late '90s, but I think that the measures of effectiveness are getting to be much better understood now. Whether or not the ATSC guidelines cover these quantitatively enough now is another matter. What makes the 4th gen Linx and 5th gen LG receivers obviously different is not that mysterious: 1. Symmetric echo tolerance out to +/- 40 usec (rather than only 40 usec lagging). 2. C/N margins around 20 dB for reception in severe multipath, for both tracking and symbol sync. 3. Capable of solid reception in Brazil E profiles (i.e. in the presence of three 0 dB echoes spaced about 1 usec apart). I think that these 3 attibutes are the most important differences between the inadequate receivers that came before the Linx or LG, and receivers that work. The other parameters, e.g. adjacent channel selectivity, sensitivity, dynamic range, dynamic echo tolerance, are not substantially better than older receivers, and could most likely stand improvement still. But evidently, these other factors were not the weakest links. The way I see it, if COFDM receivers worked but ATSC receivers did not, what were the differences? Well, the above 3 points were obvious differences. In fact, even COFDM receivers had a tough time in Brazil E. I don't think there's any huge mystery here. Matter of fact, item #2 alone, which first was met by a Samsung receiver back in 2002 IIRC, immediately showed promise in Mark Schubin's apartment by being the first to achieve solid reception of any channel at that site. Compare this with COFDM and see why. Bert ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You can UNSUBSCRIBE from the OpenDTV list in two ways: - Using the UNSUBSCRIBE command in your user configuration settings at FreeLists.org - By sending a message to: opendtv-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the subject line.