[naturalrabbit] Re: Moo apple stuck in throat :(

  • From: Roberta Kessler <rlkessler@xxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: naturalrabbit@xxxxxxxxxxxxx, Katy <healing@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2021 15:06:36 -0500 (CDT)

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   <span style="font-family: helvetica; font-size: 12pt;">I am sorry Moo's 
abscess is interfering with his eating, Katy.&nbsp; Have you been able to find 
a good rabbit vet?&nbsp; &nbsp;I will keep him in my prayers.</span>
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    On 10/30/2021 10:27 AM Katy &lt;healing@xxxxxxxxxxxxx&gt; wrote:
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     Lol lol, Laura!!&nbsp;
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      His jaw abscess stops him eating hay these days sadly. Best he can manage 
is fresh grass. He is pretty choosy about the smell and flavour of his hay! And 
the soft ones I can get he doesn't like. Pickle pig does though, thankfully, so 
none wasted!
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      I tried chopping his hay up but wow a definite no on that lol! He likes 
long strands and nothing else :D
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      Thanks for your thoughts and being there&nbsp;
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      Katy xxx
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       On Sat, 30 Oct 2021, 16:02 Laura Mowrey, &lt;<a 
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         Katy,
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         It sounds like little Moo eats like I do....too much too quickly. Poor 
little guy. Unlike Moo, I have no excuse for my bad eating habits. I am just so 
happy he is ok now. Do you think he'd eat his hay chopped up into small pieces?
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href="mailto:naturalrabbit-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" ;
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rel="noopener">naturalrabbit-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx</a>&gt; on behalf of Katy 
&lt;<a target="_blank" href="mailto:healing@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" ;
rel="noopener">healing@xxxxxxxxxxxxx</a>&gt;<br><strong>Sent:</strong> Friday, 
October 29, 2021 8:12 PM<br><strong>To:</strong> <a target="_blank" 
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rel="noopener">naturalrabbit@xxxxxxxxxxxxx</a>&gt;<br><strong>Subject:</strong> 
[naturalrabbit] Re: Moo apple stuck in throat :(</span>
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          Thank you Laura, for your thoughts on Moo chewing! I wanted to reply 
earlier but didn't get chance.
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           The root of the issue is with his jaw, as because of that he 
struggles to chew most foods, has done for years since his tooth extraction. 
Since his abscess has developed he finds it even harder to chew. So this causes 
him to sometimes swallow before fully chewing. Usually I chop up apple into 
little bits, but he wasn't eating that today so I tempted him with a bigger 
piece which he decided to eat. Big mistake as then he swallowed it too quickly.
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           The previous time he choked though was before he was having this 
level of jaw problems, so that was down to him loving his food and stuffing as 
much hay in his mouth as possible 😉
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           He quite often tries to swallow his food too quick I think because 
he loves food so much!!&nbsp;
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           So generally I try to keep all food in tiny pieces.
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           Thanks for looking at how this happened too!
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           I'll have to get some olive oil in, we only have some walnut oil at 
the moment!&nbsp;
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           Love Katy xxx
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            On Fri, 29 Oct 2021, 21:45 Laura Mowrey, &lt;<a target="_blank" 
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              I was going to suggest olive oil Katy.....wow, this is 
frightening! Is there a partial obstruction in his throat maybe? Or is he just 
not willing or able to thoroughly chew his food before he swallows it? Are his 
teeth ok?
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               hi Katy
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                Syringe feeding pumpkin puree may help.&nbsp; My 94 year dad 
has this problem sometimes and he needs to drink something thick like V8 juice 
which works every time, so that is why I'm thinking smooth pumpkin&nbsp;puree 
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                Let me know if you try it and if it works.&nbsp; I'm glad Moo 
can breathe at least, but still stressful.&nbsp;
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                On Fri, Oct 29, 2021 at 2:20 PM Katy &lt;<a target="_blank" 
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                 Hello xx So Moo has a little problem, he has some apple stuck 
in his throat! He is breathing ok, but is swallowing a lot trying to shift it. 
This happened a few hours ago and it doesn't seem to be budging yet. The apple 
was peeled so it should just be smooth.
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                  In the past he choked on some sharp oat hay and couldn't 
breathe, I had to do the bunny Heimlich maneover to keep him breathing. It took 
about a week for the hay to dislodge after the initial problem!!!&nbsp;
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                  This is different though, he has been breathing ok so far. I 
tried some heimlich movements but that doesn't seem to be helping. He is 
refusing food understandably. He is able to swallow his saliva as I hear him 
doing this regularly as if trying to shift it himself.
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                  I gave him a run around the house hoping this would get 
things moving for him somehow, but no. And I tried some gentle massages but no. 
I gave him his usual metacam in case of inflammation in his throat, and water, 
but still no movement. He could swallow the water ok.
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                  Next step is some syringe feed to see if this will help, 
because it's gloopy and slippery.
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                  I looked up online what humans do in similar situations where 
they're able to breathe, and it recommended bubbly drinks that erode the stuck 
piece of food and create gas for burping the food out, so that's a definite no 
for bunnies! Other than that the website said about something like butter as 
it's slippery. I've heard of bunnies having olive oil before so perhaps a 
teaspoon of this is an option? I'd try syringe food first I think. They also 
say banana as it's slippery but I can't get him to eat.
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                  I am also hoping that waiting it out will help, also 
recommended on the website. As apple does go soggy and slippery when left, so 
maybe it will just slip down after a little while longer.
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                  I worry though if it has got stuck in his throat could it get 
stuck further down? :(
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                  Any other ideas anyone? Or experiences to share?
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                  Hugs
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                  Katy xx
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