Jeff Sounds very interesting. Tel sent me some pics of his forge. What an inventive Yak milk drinker he is! He used an old gas bottle as his base unit. A little ingenuity goes a long way. As my projects develop I am really beginning to realise how useful it is to have a first class melting and forging facility so it would be great to see the results of your labour. Peter Cathcart Farnham Common Bucks ______________ Had excellent success this weekend with building a simple large gas burner to the Bob Reil design for melting and forging. I'll try to get some pix of it working on to TEL's site. Unbelievably simple and lots of heat using propane. For a 3/8" steel rod, from cold to red heat in 10 seconds. Cheers, Jeff Dayman Waterloo Ontario Canada MODEL ENGINEERING DISCUSSION LIST. To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list, send a blank email to, modeleng-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word "unsubscribe" in the subject line.