[macvoiceover] Re: crashing programs
- From: Russell Solowoniuk <rsolowoniuk@xxxxxxx>
- To: macvoiceover@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2009 23:34:36 -0700
Hey Keith,
With all due respect, even I can press shift down arrow, and trust me, as one
who attempts to copy quotes into an email message every morning, there are
many, many sites where this doesn't work. And, there are many sites where VO
enter to turn on selection mode doesn't work either. And, in my opinion,
copying an entire web page to text edit and then finding the text in text edit
and copying it again is a ludicrous way to have to do things.
I don't know why you seem so intent on not allowing folks to express opinions
that don't put the Mac in a positive light. I always think that we put out the
truth about what's happening with our systems, and yes, perhaps sometimes the
problem may be the loose nut behind the keyboard, but, in this case, Keith,,
selecting text on a web page... really doesn't work that well in a lot of
instances. You seem to be very lucky and don't have any problems at all, but
some of us do.
Russell
On 2009-11-27, at 10:54 PM, Keith Reedy wrote:
> Russell,
>
> I am having no trouble in selecting text on a website.
>
> Please, lets not confuse the things that thae MAC can't do with the things
> you can't do with the MAC.
>
> Remember, you are still learning and so are we all.
>
> Keith Reedy
> On Nov 28, 2009, at 12:39 AM, Russell Solowoniuk wrote:
>
>> Hey Phil,
>>
>> No worries! You should have seen all the questions I sent to the list
>> before buying my Mac. And everyone was great about it. From what you say
>> you wish to do, I'm sure the Mac will be fine. In a lot of ways it's fun to
>> use the Mac, but there are still a few annoyances, like selecting text on a
>> web page that hopefully will be worked out soon.
>>
>> I'm not sorry I bought a Mac, but would not be able to get by without my old
>> Windows machine to do the things the Mac can't do yet.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Russell
>> On 2009-11-27, at 2:17 PM, Phil Stephenson wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Krysten and all who've replied on this thread,
>>>
>>> I in no way was wanting to turn it into a mac versus Windows debate as I do
>>> know they are different and do different things however the thing for me is
>>> I don't want to have to run 2 systems. I would still use windows at work as
>>> I need this for using he many Office apps and other more specialist stuff
>>> but at home I want to do email, surf the web, read and produce basic text
>>> docs as well as manage music, write blogs and stay in touch with friends and
>>> family via social networking sites and communication programs.
>>>
>>> Ok I'll leave this topic alone now but my questions / concerns were honest
>>> and coming from a genuine point of enquiry.
>>>
>>> Cheers all,
>>>
>>> Phil
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: macvoiceover-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> [mailto:macvoiceover-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Kristyn Leigh
>>> Sent: 27 November 2009 15:32
>>> To: macvoiceover@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: [macvoiceover] Re: crashing programs
>>>
>>> I have been following this list for a couple months. I have found links to
>>> helpful resources and tips about various programs and VoiceOver commands.
>>> The discussion about problems has not discouraged me from buying a Mac. I
>>> have seen huge improvements in accessibility since Tiger. Of course I wish
>>> Office was accessible on the Mac with VoiceOver, but I'm not going to let
>>> that stop me from using a Mac for applications which are accessible. I will
>>> keep my Windows XP machine for programs that don't run on a Mac. I will
>>> never pay for another screen reader SMA.
>>>
>>> I am tired of the arguments about whether Mac is better than Windows. I have
>>> accepted the fact that they are different, and I will try to use both for
>>> the features I need.
>>>
>>> Kristyn
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: macvoiceover-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> [mailto:macvoiceover-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Phil Stephenson
>>> Sent: Thursday, November 26, 2009 3:44 PM
>>> To: macvoiceover@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: [macvoiceover] Re: crashing programs
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Jumping in on this thread to say I've actually begun to have second thoughts
>>> myself about switching to a Mac in view of recent traffic about problems
>>> with Mail, Safari etc. I know even Macs aren't perfect and I have a number
>>> of reasons for being unhappy with Windows however I have been watching this
>>> list for a good few weeks now and have been rather disconcerted by the
>>> number of issues people seem to be having with VO and their Macs.
>>>
>>> As I say I was (an maybe still am) very close to switching and was in fact
>>> just looking up specs and prices yesterday and and planning on buying
>>> post-Christmas however I have to say I am now having real second
>>> thoughts....sad really as I've been toying with switching for over 3 years
>>> now and I did think it was at a point where it made more sense than ever but
>>> for the additional outlay of buying a MAC I am hoping to get a robust system
>>> that doesn't crash like my Windows kit and where I can at least use the
>>> standard mac apps such as Mail, Safari and Text Edit without any problems
>>> other than the learning curve I know I will have to face.
>>>
>>> So I'm rather confused and disillusioned, sorry folks but I'm telling it how
>>> I see it, I'm not saying Macs are bad and Windows machines are better rather
>>> that I don't think a Mac is as reliable or robust a solution as I thought it
>>> would be.
>>>
>>> Your comments appreciated,
>>>
>>> Phil
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: macvoiceover-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> [mailto:macvoiceover-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of carlene knight
>>> Sent: 26 November 2009 19:53
>>> To: macvoiceover@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: [macvoiceover] crashing programs
>>>
>>> Hi:
>>>
>>> I am really getting discouraged as my system is not acting as I always heard
>>> a Mac should. In fact it's getting to the point where I crash programs on a
>>> daily basis. Some people are having trouble with Safari but for me it's the
>>> other programs. Last night I crashed ITunes and Mail both at the same time
>>> in fact. It's intermittent. I think it might have something to do with VO
>>> and Snow leopard as my sighted husband who doesn't use VO has no problems.
>>> Has anybody else had trouble with programs crashing on a daily basis?
>>> thanks.>
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