[macvoiceover] Word processing, was Re: Re: is a paid screenreader for the mac a option?
- From: Ian Edwards <ianedwards42@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: macvoiceover@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 15:27:46 -0600
Thanks John, they look good in their promotional blurbs. Of course that is what
promotional blurbs are for.
Any of them give significant advantages over Text Edit?
Ian
On 2012-06-25, at 2:32 PM, John Panarese wrote:
> For word processing, there are a few. There is Bean, iText Express and
> Nisus Writer Express, that come to mind. There is also the Open Office
> suite. The spreadsheet part of Open Office is pretty good, or was in the
> last version I've seen. There is also Tables as a spreadsheet application.
>
>
> Take Care
>
> John Panarese
> jpanarese@xxxxxxxxx
>
>
>
> On Jun 25, 2012, at 4:24 PM, Ian Edwards <ianedwards42@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>> John, I deleted the message regarding alternatives to iWork Pages. Can you
>> give a heads-up as to what you find to be a good solution for word
>> processing? I've got a pretty good handle on Text Edit, anything else out
>> there?
>>
>> Peace,
>>
>> Ian
>>
>> On 2012-06-25, at 2:14 PM, rhonda cruz wrote:
>>
>>> hello John, and all.
>>>
>>> I feel that john. is a wonderful teacher.
>>> and i am going to get some help from him.
>>> some day.
>>>
>>> keep up the great work.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jun 25, 2012, at 12:16 PM, John Panarese wrote:
>>>
>>>> That's why I offered alternatives to iWorks. I am not disagreeing with
>>>> some of his points. I am disagreeing with his conclusions and inferences.
>>>>
>>>> Let's not forget that Mountain Lion is coming soon. Let's wait to see
>>>> what improvements will be found for VoiceOver. Also, as I indicated,
>>>> strong rumors point to an update to iWorks.
>>>>
>>>> Take Care
>>>>
>>>> John Panarese
>>>> jpanarese@xxxxxxxxx
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Jun 25, 2012, at 3:10 PM, Laura <laura.mcg@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Out of interest, what in the original message is preventable with
>>>>> training? I disagree with the paid alternative to VoiceOver, but aren't
>>>>> most of the points William raises valid? Tables in Pages are often
>>>>> difficult, and, at the moment, getting to third party status bar items is
>>>>> complicated. Pages in general seems to me to have some reasonably big
>>>>> accessibility bugs--I.E. the inability to read track changes or comments.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm not picking an argument, honestly. I'm just curious, because the only
>>>>> part of the message I'd question is the part about not being able to
>>>>> search for form fields in tables on webpages. If there are
>>>>> straightforward methods for achieving some of the other things he finds
>>>>> difficult, I'd love to hear about them, too.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers.
>>>>>
>>>>> Laura
>>>>>
>>>>> On 25 Jun 2012, at 19:00, VaShaun Jones wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I really think you need proper training because the statements you are
>>>>>> making just are not true. As I've stated before there are blind people
>>>>>> who work on accessibility for the Mac day in and day out and I promise
>>>>>> you with all my heart proper training prevents piss poor performance and
>>>>>> this is surely a matter of not having the proper training. I will leave
>>>>>> this alone because a person convinced against their will is of the same
>>>>>> opinion still.
>>>>>> On Jun 25, 2012, at 8:08 AM, William Windels <william.windels@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>> After working for more than 3 years with the mac , it's my personal
>>>>>>> opinionthat more basic programs are accessible on windows then on the
>>>>>>> mac platform.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I find it more stable to work on the mac because of the integration of
>>>>>>> the screenreader voiceover with the osx.
>>>>>>> The fact that the hardware is also adapted for us by the trackpad and
>>>>>>> the function-keys with the spoken values.
>>>>>>> And of course the flexible way we can install , manage the system with
>>>>>>> voiceover support everywhere.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> However, we can't e.g. configure dropbox with voiceover while this is
>>>>>>> possible on windows, office programs like microsoft office and also
>>>>>>> iWork's aren't fully accessible with lay-out tasks, in my opinion there
>>>>>>> are several usability issues with the browsers on the mac, some
>>>>>>> ellements of the os , like
>>>>>>> Tables, on websites and on numbers and pages, are very difficult to
>>>>>>> navigate e.g. you can't search for edit-fields on websites while they
>>>>>>> are in a table and in pages, you can't work with tables on a
>>>>>>> comfortable way.
>>>>>>> the icon's on the status bar, can't be reached on a normal way with
>>>>>>> voiceover...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My conclusion: a paid screenreader for the mac that makes program's
>>>>>>> accessible with scripts (like screen readers on windows do), should be
>>>>>>> very welcome I think.
>>>>>>> With this kind of optional screenreader, blind users should be able to
>>>>>>> use all the equivalents on the mac of their windows favorites. Perhaps
>>>>>>> it should push apple to make their screenreader better on a faster
>>>>>>> speed.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Why such screenreader doesn't exist yet?
>>>>>>> I see 2 reasons for this:
>>>>>>> 1. Apple should not be happy with this and the screenreader of apple
>>>>>>> should have more possibilities to integrate with the os then the
>>>>>>> external screenreader.
>>>>>>> 2. Other communities don't see a reason to make a screenreader for the
>>>>>>> mac while there is one built in.
>>>>>>> If it should be the second reason, any people with accessibility
>>>>>>> frustrations on the mac , should communicate this to other companies
>>>>>>> like gw micro, freedom scientific, baum...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Any opinions about this meanings should be very welcome.
>>>>>>> kind regards,
>>>>>>> William Windels>
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