hi there sarahat present apple are working on the fix for iWork 08, we have a very nice and rather powerful app for word documents and the likes called nisus writer. go to www.nisus.com its a really decent program and I use it for a lot of different work. from repair inventories to data cataloguing and more as well as all my office work and comms.
great app. good price. voiceover compatible. one or two small bugs but thats in voiceover and the nisus software. fixes are being worked on.
we should see possible accessibility interfacing with open office. if that happens I will be a very very happy dood.
take care and have fun on this list. we're all here to help. lewy On 12 Apr 2008, at 20:26, Sarah Clark wrote:
Hi David, You said... "but the interaction between the os and VoiceOver is much different and actually better than that betweenwindows and windows screen readers even though there is some functionality that is not as well developped and despite the fact that it does not workwith office for the Mac."If VO doesn't work with Office for the mac, then is there a way to use a word processor kind of equivalent to Word and Excel on the mac?you said.. "VoiceOver wasbuilt-in to the Mac OS and works directly with it and its native apps as well as apps written to take advantage of it. The Mac os doesn't really see the windows apps you have on the system which is why the virtuaallizationtakes place to bring the apps to the hardware."I don't quite follow what you mean by the last sentence. Are you saying that because of the virtualization that VO will in fact be able to interact with the Windows files? If not, do you have any experience using Jaws with Windows on a fusion mac?And from what I understand, Windows Vista now works fine with the latest version of Jaws, so getting that instead of XP wouldn't be a problem.Sarah----- Original Message ----- From: "David Poehlman" <david.poehlman@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx >To: <macvoiceover@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2008 11:13 AM Subject: [macvoiceover] Re: Windows on a MacHi Sarah, I'm going to put my responses in your message below marked with dp.----- Original Message ----- From: "Sarah Clark" <goldflash9@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >To: <macvoiceover@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2008 12:17 PM Subject: [macvoiceover] Windows on a Mac Hi All,I just joined this list. I have always been a Windows user, but I will begetting a new laptop soon and am considering getting a mac. Theaccessibility of the mac with Voice Over sounds great and I'm sure I wouldenjoy it once I'd get used to the difference in its functionality as compared to Jaws and Windows.dp: surprising as it may seem, with a bit of setup, you can use a Mac much like you do windows except you will want to use the functions of VoiceOver for some things that like windows, mac os won't do. Jaws is not in the picture here and it's best to approach VoiceOver as though it was something else entirely which it is. This is not to say that it does not have the functionality of screen reders in windows but the interaction between the osand VoiceOver is much different and actually better than that betweenwindows and windows screen readers even though there is some functionality that is not as well developped and despite the fact that it does not work with office for the Mac. I was a windows user for 15 years before turningto the macand I still use windows for some things because of workconstraints but less and less for other needs as I find new ways to use myMac when there's time.But there are still a couple of Windows based programs that I'd really miss if I had a mac, so I have some questions as to the usability of Windows on amac.I know that you can get a mac with either the bootcamp or parallel set up. I was told that both will allow you to also run Windows on the mac machine, but with bootcamp you must turn the machine off and then boot it back up into Windows, whereas with parallel you can switch over to Windows withoutactually needing to turn the machine off.dp: actually, you just restart not turn off and hold down the option key press right arrow and then enter to boot into the second os depending on how your system is set up. Bootcamp comes with the Mac OS but Fusion is aseparate purchase.I am trying to find out if you can use Kurzweil on the Windows side, and ifso, if it matters if you have the bootcamp or parallel setup.dp I'm told that kurzweil works with Fusion but I have no direct experiencewith this.The other program I would like to be able to use is Abbyy Find Reader, so ifanyone has experience with that program, the same question goes.dp Does this app talk? at any rate, it should work with Fusion but again, Ihave no direct experience with it.Also, does Voice Over work while you are using Windows? If not, can youhave Jaws on it for Windows?dp This reminds me of something I used to play with. I forget what it was but it was a screen reader that only provided access to basic applications and when you tried to access an app that it could not be used with, it treated the app as though it wasn't there. This is infact what happens withvoice over and windows apps in a virtual environment. VoiceOver wasbuilt-in to the Mac OS and works directly with it and its native apps as well as apps written to take advantage of it. The Mac os doesn't really see the windows apps you have on the system which is why the virtuaallizationtakes place to bring the apps to the hardware.These are the main considerations I have. If I would have the ability to use Kurzweil and Abbyy Find Reader on the laptop, I would not hesitate ingetting a mac.dp: good luck and by the way, there are other ways to get the functionality you are looking for provided you have more compelling reasons to get a Mac than to stay with windows and get a new windows laptop. Also, you may or may not like to know that it will be difficult to find a laptop that you canuse without vista and I am not certain what the state of assistivetechnologies is for vista. Also, when you do get aa Mac, you'll need to buy a copy of windows but I am told that it is getting harder to get anything but xp home if that makes a difference. You will need xp sp2 at any rate ifyou use bootcamp but I don't know what fusion requires. It is myunderstanding that it has its own windows support framework so if you want, you can just install your windows apps through it but I don't know how thiswould work with JAWS. 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