Got it, thanks. The only time I encountered the static text statement I was on my way to a copy/paste anyways, so didn’t stop to ponder it. Ian > On Oct 31, 2014, at 9:56 PM, Cheryl Homiak <cah4110@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > Some files can be read that way. But with quite a few, when you interact you > just get something about static text and that’s all you get unless you do the > work-around. > > -- > Cheryl > > I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf. > I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper > thrown in the trash! > Then God gave me a new heart and life: > His joy for my despairing tears! > And now, every day: > "This I call to mind, > and therefore I have hope: > The steadfast love of the Lord > never ceases; > his mercies never come to an end; > they are new every morning; > great is your faithfulness." > (Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV) > > > > >> On Oct 31, 2014, at 10:51 PM, Ian Edwards <ianedwards42@xxxxxxxxx >> <mailto:ianedwards42@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote: >> >> So what exactly is the opening with Voiceover off doing? >> >> I did notice that I needed to do an extra level of interacting on PDFs in >> Preview under Yosemite. I interact with the PDF content group, then interact >> again and can read using quicknav set to navigation. I dont’ seem to need to >> do ths second interaction to copy and paste though, so I’m not sure what’s >> up. >> >> Ian >> >>> On Oct 31, 2014, at 8:59 PM, Cheryl Homiak <cah4110@xxxxxxxxxx >>> <mailto:cah4110@xxxxxxxxxx>> wrote: >>> >>> Yeah, I was hoping it would also work with Skim, but it does not. >>> >>> -- >>> Cheryl >>> >>> I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf. >>> I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper >>> thrown in the trash! >>> Then God gave me a new heart and life: >>> His joy for my despairing tears! >>> And now, every day: >>> "This I call to mind, >>> and therefore I have hope: >>> The steadfast love of the Lord >>> never ceases; >>> his mercies never come to an end; >>> they are new every morning; >>> great is your faithfulness." >>> (Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV) >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> On Oct 31, 2014, at 7:51 PM, Tuscia-Falconer <tusciafalconer@xxxxxxxxxxxx >>>> <mailto:tusciafalconer@xxxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote: >>>> >>>> I also tried this with Skim but no luck. >>>> >>>> TF >>>> >>>> On 1/11/2014, at 1:24 pm, Cheryl Homiak <cah4110@xxxxxxxxxx >>>> <mailto:cah4110@xxxxxxxxxx>> wrote: >>>> >>>> There is a work-around for this problem. But skim is not a solution. My >>>> experience is that if you are having this problem with a pdf file in >>>> Preview, you will also have it in Skim. >>>> >>>> But in Preview, here’s your work-around. Go to the file you want to read >>>> in finder. Turn voiceover off and then do cmd-o to open the file. You >>>> should now be able to interact and read the file. It appears that this >>>> will continue to work for that file as long as you have Preview open but >>>> if you quit Preview and/or restart your computer, you will have to do this >>>> again. >>>> >>>> Also for files that are not picture/image files but that you can’t >>>> initially read with Preview, it usually still works to do cmd-a to select >>>> all in the file, copy with cmd-c, and then paste into Text Edit or some >>>> other application. >>>> >>>> Finally, if you have not already done so, report this to >>>> accessibility@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:accessibility@xxxxxxxxx> and never, never >>>> assume that enough others have reported the problem and your input is >>>> unnecessary. >>>> >>>> Hth. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Cheryl >>>> >>>> I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf. >>>> I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper >>>> thrown in the trash! >>>> Then God gave me a new heart and life: >>>> His joy for my despairing tears! >>>> And now, every day: >>>> "This I call to mind, >>>> and therefore I have hope: >>>> The steadfast love of the Lord >>>> never ceases; >>>> his mercies never come to an end; >>>> they are new every morning; >>>> great is your faithfulness." >>>> (Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV) >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> On Oct 31, 2014, at 7:08 PM, Tuscia-Falconer <tusciafalconer@xxxxxxxxxxxx >>>>> <mailto:tusciafalconer@xxxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Have you tried Skim, though I did not necessarily get better results. >>>>> >>>>> TF >>>>> >>>>> On 1/11/2014, at 11:08 am, Suzanne Erb <suzerb1@xxxxxxxxxxx >>>>> <mailto:suzerb1@xxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Yes, that’s true. I’m concerned about .pdf files that I was able to read >>>>> using Preview, but have not been able to read these same files since >>>>> upgrading. there doesn’t seem to be any rhyme or reason. Of course, no >>>>> picture files can be read, but I’m sometimes having problems with files >>>>> that I used to be able to read. Again, this is not a consistent problem. >>>>> Suzanne >>>>>> On Oct 31, 2014, at 6:04 PM, Tuscia-Falconer >>>>>> <tusciafalconer@xxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:tusciafalconer@xxxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> IMO, not the operating system, I find not all pdf files are equal. I >>>>>> think some are more like scans producing images, others have text. >>>>>> >>>>>> TF >>>>>> >>>>>> On 1/11/2014, at 10:08 am, linnette whalen <linnettew@xxxxxxxxxxx >>>>>> <mailto:linnettew@xxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Having the same problem! However, also having the same problem on >>>>>> husband’s IMac and it does not have Yosemite. >>>>>> On Oct 30, 2014, at 2:31 PM, Suzanne Erb <suzerb1@xxxxxxxxxxx >>>>>> <mailto:suzerb1@xxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>> I’ve found the same. However, I have had a few problems opening some >>>>>>> .pdf files. Some are opening fine, some are not. Has anyone else >>>>>>> experienced this? I have been working around this by opening them i >>>>>>> other programs; but I used to like Preview, and I’d like to like it, >>>>>>> again. >>>>>>> Suzanne >>>>>>>> On Oct 30, 2014, at 2:25 PM, Tuscia-Falconer >>>>>>>> <tusciafalconer@xxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:tusciafalconer@xxxxxxxxxxxx>> >>>>>>>> wrote:In general, I have found the same thing; however, I am having a >>>>>>>> problem with opening some files in >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> A warning to Keith, you may not want to read this ! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> After two weeks of Yosemite on my 2008 iMac with 4Gb RAM I have no >>>>>>>> issues that I would complain about. >>>>>>>> The system feels rock solid, no bugs or lock ups with busy busy. >>>>>>>> I would definitely suggest that 4Gb RAM may be a minimum. This is >>>>>>>> because Yosemite uses RAM differently to earlier OS issues, though >>>>>>>> apparently Mavericks was similar. >>>>>>>> Because RAM has the fastest processing speed in the computer, the OS >>>>>>>> is taking advantage of this and fills the RAM ready for use, this is >>>>>>>> why a larger capacity is more beneficial. >>>>>>>> With less RAM there is a longer delay when shifting between >>>>>>>> Applications as as more data is being swapped, particularly if several >>>>>>>> larger Apps are open at the same time. >>>>>>>> So my bottom line is that I get a short delay when moving between Apps >>>>>>>> but once there it is solid. >>>>>>>> Yosemite leaves memory in RAM if there is space so that when you open >>>>>>>> an App again it opens faster. >>>>>>>> Yosemite has also been designed to accept all third party applications >>>>>>>> that Mavericks accepted so you should not have any issues there. >>>>>>>> Other than that it seems most of this upgrade is to do with its look >>>>>>>> which doesn't apply to most of us, and it aligns the different Mac >>>>>>>> platforms together so you can work on your iphone, ipad or imac at >>>>>>>> the same time. 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