[macvoiceover] Re: Greg Kearney, ABWA and DAISY Bookworm at NFB convention

  • From: Bryan Smart <bryansmart@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: "macvoiceover@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <macvoiceover@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2010 14:22:06 -0400

That's another set of steps to append to a process for retrieving books from 
the libraries.

You, as a techy person, might think that this is trivial, but you've perhaps 
never tried to explain to an average person how to acquire books from a library 
site. They'll need to make a tutorial explaining how to do it, and it will be 
lengthy. Consider that, besides directions on how to unzip books, on multiple 
platforms, they'll now need to include separate FTP directions for different 
platforms. For most average people, I'm not stretching the truth when I say 
that the time between finding a book on a library site, and getting it on to 
their iOS device, will take between 30 to 45 minutes. Since there are more 
average people than techies, more average people will be reporting their 
experiences than techies. Those experiences will be negative.

Even when I know how to do something like that, the iOS devices have made me 
impatient and unforgiving to any app that insists on putting me through 
unnecessary work and time wasting. When I play a video with Netflix, or music 
with Rhapsody, I just open the app, type a name or pick something from a play 
list, and it plays. Put up against that, download book, uncompress book, 
re-upload book, re-download book to phone seems like a huge waste of time.

It's great that they have made it possible to read Daisy books at all, but, 
regardless of what techy people think, I'm telling you what average people will 
think. There are way more average people than techy people, and so depending on 
only techy people to support a program is a serious mistake.

Anyway, who would want to waste time with that extra work. Does it require 
human judgment? If not then it should be automated, so a computer can do it 
more quickly. That's why computers were invented.

Bryan

-----Original Message-----
From: macvoiceover-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
[mailto:macvoiceover-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of David Poehlman
Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2010 1:35 PM
To: macvoiceover@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [macvoiceover] Re: Greg Kearney, ABWA and DAISY Bookworm at NFB 
convention

sheesh, you use your pc to log in to the server, you upload the book, you use 
the app on your device to download it.

On Jun 23, 2010, at 1:28 PM, Bryan Smart wrote:

Yikes, no thanks. That's a pain. Can do it, but don't care to.

It is easy for an app to include an integrated browser. Anything tha you 
download with that browser can be accessed by the app, since the download goes 
in to its sandbox.

So, they should let you connect to NLS, Bookshare, etc, and download directly 
from there. Of course, they'd need to include a framework to decompress zip 
files, and maybe they don't want to pay for that. Don't know.

What I do know is that requiring lots of round about steps, like uploading 
files to an FTP server, will put off most people to the idea. Imagine 
explaining to someone "yeh, all you do is download the book from your library, 
uncompress it, upload it to an FTP server, download it to your phone, and then 
you're ready to go." Besides the geekery, it's time consuming.

Bryan

-----Original Message-----
From: macvoiceover-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
[mailto:macvoiceover-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of David Poehlman
Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2010 1:05 PM
To: macvoiceover@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [macvoiceover] Re: Greg Kearney, ABWA and DAISY Bookworm at NFB 
convention

no, you upload the daisy files you want to transfer and it does the transfer.

On Jun 23, 2010, at 12:58 PM, Bryan Smart wrote:

From their FTP site, or from your own? Or does it link up to the services I 
talked about through FTP?

Also, is it an accessible app that we use through normal VoiceOver interaction, 
or is it some kind of self-voicing app? 

Bryan

-----Original Message-----
From: macvoiceover-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
[mailto:macvoiceover-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of David Poehlman
Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2010 12:51 PM
To: macvoiceover@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [macvoiceover] Re: Greg Kearney, ABWA and DAISY Bookworm at NFB 
convention

it's done via ftp.

On Jun 23, 2010, at 12:48 PM, Bryan Smart wrote:

What I'll be interested to see is how well it acquires content. I don't think 
that you can easily transfer arbitrary content in to it via iTunes, and you 
obviously can't transfer content to the mobile devices directly.

What would be particularly spectacular if it integrated with the download 
services (like Bookshare or NLS Bard in the US, along with other such services 
around the world), so it could download books directly.

Bryan

-----Original Message-----
From: macvoiceover-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
[mailto:macvoiceover-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of william lomas
Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 8:21 AM
To: macvoiceover@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [macvoiceover] Re: Greg Kearney, ABWA and DAISY Bookworm at NFB 
convention

ah wow now it is complete
a daisy reader on iphone wow i ahve tos ee this

On Jun 22, 2010, at 1:09 PM, David Poehlman wrote:

> can we get a copy to try?
> 
> On Jun 21, 2010, at 8:53 PM, Greg Kearney wrote:
> 
> Hello;
> 
> I will be attending the NFB Convention in Dallas for Association for the 
> Blind of Western Australia and will be showing our iPHone/iPod Touch/iPad 
> DAISY Bookworm player to anyone who is interested. Also explaining the 
> Association for the Blind of Western Australia digital talking book library 
> service and other digital talking book issues.
> 
> I should be in the hotel starting on the evening of the 2nd of July until the 
> 6th of July I will be staying at the convention hotel so you can reach me 
> there. I will post a little Australian flag by my door to make it easy to 
> find.
> 
> Please feel free to share this email with all who are interested. I 
> look forward to seeing you in Dallas
> 
> Gregory Kearney | Manager Accessible Media Association for the Blind 
> of WA - Guide Dogs WA PO Box 101, Victoria Park WA 6979 | 61 Kitchener 
> Ave, Victoria Park WA 6100
> Tel: 08 9311 8246 | Fax: 08 9361 8696 | www.guidedogswa.com.au
> Tel: 307-224-4022 (North America)
> Email: greg.kearney@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Email: gkearney@xxxxxxxxx
> 
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