I think you're being unnecessarily cute. I just wanted to be sure that our interests are being represented. The general rules of betas are that you don't discuss the details of unreleased software, or what is discussed about the unreleased software on its forums. For example, I can tell you that I'm currently participating in betas for Jaws, CakeTalking, MobileSpeak, and others, and that doesn't make me super cool for being included, nor is it breaking terms of an NDA to just say that I'm participating. None of you secret people, who-ever you are, need divulge any details. If you're beta testing, that means I don't have to. It would just be good to know that some people are, in fact, participating. Bryan -----Original Message----- From: macvoiceover-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:macvoiceover-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of David Poehlman Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2009 7:08 AM To: macvoiceover@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [macvoiceover] Re: Apple Seed betas RE: listen to Keith about ITunes If anyone is participating, they aren't allowed to say. On Oct 31, 2009, at 4:29 AM, Bryan Smart wrote: Is anyone on this list participating in any of the Apple Seed beta programs? If not, we should get some people using assistive tech to represent us in those. http://appleseed.apple.com There is also the Apple Seed program for developers. It is my understanding that only those in the developer programs, that are paying for premium ADC memberships are given seeds of new OS versions. Premium ADC memberships cost around $500/year, from what I'm told. Bryan -----Original Message----- From: macvoiceover-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:macvoiceover-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of John Hess Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2009 12:19 AM To: macvoiceover@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [macvoiceover] listen to Keith about ITunes I have no doubt that Apple is aware of these problems and will correct them. However, it might be prudent to write a kind note to accessibility@xxxxxxxxx stating the problems you are finding. REmember, kindness goes along way in getting things done. John W. Hess & Barclay the WonderLab > > Click on the link below to go to our homepage. > http://www.icanworkthisthing.com > > Manage your subscription by using the web interface on the link below. > //www.freelists.org/list/macvoiceover > > Users can subscribe to this list by sending email to > macvoiceover-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > with 'subscribe' in the Subject field OR by logging into the Web > interface at //www.freelists.org/list/macvoiceover > > > Click on the link below to go to our homepage. > http://www.icanworkthisthing.com > > Manage your subscription by using the web interface on the link below. > //www.freelists.org/list/macvoiceover > > Users can subscribe to this list by sending email to > macvoiceover-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > with 'subscribe' in the Subject field OR by logging into the Web > interface at //www.freelists.org/list/macvoiceover > > > Click on the link below to go to our homepage. > http://www.icanworkthisthing.com > > Manage your subscription by using the web interface on the link below. > //www.freelists.org/list/macvoiceover > > Users can subscribe to this list by sending email to > macvoiceover-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > with 'subscribe' in the Subject field OR by logging into the Web > interface at //www.freelists.org/list/macvoiceover > > > Click on the link below to go to our homepage. > http://www.icanworkthisthing.com > > Manage your subscription by using the web interface on the link below. > //www.freelists.org/list/macvoiceover > > Users can subscribe to this list by sending email to > macvoiceover-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > with 'subscribe' in the Subject field OR by logging into the Web > interface at //www.freelists.org/list/macvoiceover >