Steering the thread back to VoiceOver a bit, does anyone know of any efforts to contact the Hulu or Netflix people to discuss the state of accessibility of their iOS apps? The Netflix app on the iPad actually works perfectly with VoiceOver. The catalog is presented on a large web page type of voice that VoiceOver operates easily. The player works well, also, with all of the controls recognized by VoiceOver. The iPhone app works to a degree. The player is alright, but the catalog browser doesn't. It seems that swiping with VoiceOver doesn't cause the screen to scroll in order to follow the VoiceOver focus. The result is that you can double tap to activate anything that is actually visible on the screen, but swiping to items that are not currently shown and double tapping them fails to do anything. It also isn't possible to manually scroll the screen with a three finger swipe. It looks like there really isn't much work required here at all to make the app accessible, but the bug that does exist is a big one. Hulu for the iPhone is programmed very well in terms of accessibility. Where Netflix looks a lot like an iPhone web app instead of a native app, Hulu is definitely a native app. Most all of the Hulu player reads well, too, with one very important exception. The names of catalog items (episodes, movies, etc), are all displayed as buttons, and they all have the label "Detail Accessory". You therefore have no way to tell the name of the catalog item that you are touching. If Hulu could get the item names in to the button labels, then their player would work very well, and they'd have my money. I wonder if Hulu works any better on the iPad. Maybe one of you with an iPad will check it out. You can get the app for free, and, even without a subscription, they have some free/demo content that you can use to preview how the player operates. Assuming that Hulu and Netflix fixed their iOS apps, then they'd be good options for people to enjoy on the Apple TV, also. Bryan -----Original Message----- From: macvoiceover-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:macvoiceover-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Ashley Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2010 11:40 AM To: macvoiceover@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [macvoiceover] Re: Apple Adds VoiceOver to ITV Receiver Yes. I 100% agree with you. Only, now you're ment to rent the tv shows from iTunes, which in the end will probably cost more. a bad move on their part but... I still want one ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bryan Smart" <bryansmart@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <macvoiceover@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2010 12:27 AM Subject: [macvoiceover] Re: Apple Adds VoiceOver to ITV Receiver Hmmm. It's cool that they care to add VoiceOver and all, but I have a hard time caring about Apple TV. It doesn't view regular TV, integrate with your existing service through a program guide interface, nor does it include DVR functionality. It seems only useful if you want to buy movies and TV shows off of iTunes, which is an expensive waste of money, when there are cheaper alternatives. We can't use Hulu, and Netflix is still pretty broken, so those are out on Apple TV, too. For most other streaming media uses, Internet Radio, playing music, etc, that I can imagine, an iPhone will work just fine. Maybe I'm missing something important. Why should blind people be excited about Apple TV? Why is it different than plugging your iPhone in to a great stereo receiver? Bryan -----Original Message----- From: macvoiceover-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:macvoiceover-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Ashley Sent: Monday, November 22, 2010 12:42 PM To: macvoiceover@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [macvoiceover] Re: Apple Adds VoiceOver to ITV Receiver SO do I... ----- Original Message ----- From: "heather kd5cbl" <kd5cbl@xxxxxxxxx> To: <macvoiceover@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Monday, November 22, 2010 5:22 PM Subject: [macvoiceover] Re: Apple Adds VoiceOver to ITV Receiver > So cool! I want one now for sure! 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