Eric Yost wrote: "You sound rather grouchy about this" More disappointed than grouchy. What had the promise of an interesting moral discussion has turned into, well I don't know what it has become. I only know that it is no longer about morality and that it has gotten tiresome. Eric: "If "cultural self-defense" is meaningless, then ..." There is no 'self', in this case. And the Nazi reference tells me the conversation is at an end. I don't know what set off this talk of wiping out all Muslims, but when you get over it, I really was interested in discussing the matter of standards. Sincerely, Phil Enns Glen Haven, NS ------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html