Eric Yost wrote: "Would you rather bring about that total loss of salvation than destroy the Jovian civilization?" You are fixated on a particular issue and it is affecting your judgment. A Christian who believes in salvation would also reject the claim that wiping out memory could bring about the 'total loss of salvation'. You are trying desperately to produce a moral dilemma that involves, on the one side, identity-as-an-object which can be possessed or lost, and, on the other side, an absolutely evil enemy that would take away this identity-as-an-object. As a moral dilemma, it fails in so many ways. First, identity isn't something that can be interchanged, like memory sticks. Second, moral dilemmas work only if one has to choose between competing moral claims. You have given the option of utterly wiping out the enemy but the alternative, that you have trouble articulating in moral terms. Third, moral dilemmas are worth engaging only when, well, they are engaging. All this talk of completely wiping out Western culture and completely wiping out a race of people is so abstract and completely removed from the sorts of dilemmas people are accustomed to making, that I really have no idea what criteria one could draw on. I am just not accustomed to making decisions on behalf of all humanity, or all of Western culture. Ask me about the baby and the Botticelli, and I know how to grab on to that question. Ask me about 'my culture' and I am at a loss. Fourth, you are obviously loading the dilemma since you make out the one option to be that of complete and utter evil. This leads me to think that there is something going on with you and Muslim identity, so that you can only frame Islam as utterly evil and depraved. I have too many Muslim friends, some of them even Islamists, to entertain this as a compelling dilemma. As I said before, this is no longer about moral standards. It is out of character for you, so I won't try and guess what it really is about. When you get over this, I am interested in discussing the idea of higher standards. Sincerely, Phil Enns Glen Haven, NS ------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html