[lit-ideas] Re: lw
- From: palma <palmaadriano@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: "lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 8 May 2014 14:04:47 +0200
> wittgenstein was confused in a rather benign way.
> in his view a statement of the form "king Leonidas is brave" is not
> 'saying' anything since it fails to be a representation/proposition of a
> fact (the traditional cretinism of thinking that the abstract is not
> representable coupled with crappy early behaviorism is the key to
> understand the view, hence "KL died defending the Thermooilis" is a
> representation of the fact that KL's heart stopped beating at xx time of
> the yy etc.) In flurry of rhet
> h
> orics the statements shows either something about what the speaker th
> ought of
> the king, or what hearer is supposed to "grasp" etc. it does not say
> anything because the limits of what is said/effable are within the same
> limit of the logical sace, minus contradictions and the negation of
> contradictions.
> ought
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> The twist that LW introduced is to add that something like "317 is
> prime" is equally not 'saying anything', for the somewhat more
> sophisticated reason that the quoted claim is tautological, if you believe
> his theory of numbers, & being tautological it fails to 'exclude' any state
> of affairs actual or possible.
> it "shows" that 317 is prime, it cannot say it for the reason above.
> how far one wishes to push such discussion is completely up to the dogma
> that what Wittgenstein said is Talmudically understood, hence it is 'true'
> in some sense or other, the rest is interpretation.
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> On Wed, May 7, 2014 at 11:34 PM, Omar Kusturica <omarkusto@xxxxxxxxx>wrote:
>
>> I don't see what there is about the say-distinction that cannot be said
>> but only shown. "Statements say and pictures show" is a statement, not a
>> picture. It is not something unsayable in our language either, instead it
>> is a platitude. Now, is true that pictures can also 'say' in a way, and
>> statements can also 'show', in a way. But I cannot see statements that
>> 'show but do not say', any more than I can understand pictures that 'say
>> but do not show.' I conclude that Wittgenstein had a few too much to drink
>> when he wrote that, and Donal had a few much too much when he paraphras29
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