Some scenes are difficult enough for adults. I wouldn't bring a 12 yr. old to that movie. Cheers, Walter Memorial U Phone: 709-737-7613 Fax: 709-737-2345 E-mail: wokshevs@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx On Mon, 28 Jun 2004 JulieReneB@xxxxxxx wrote: > Since you've seen it perhaps you can answer a pragmatic question. Jim an= d I > plan to see it some evening this week. My 12 year old daughter wants > desperately to accompany us. The discussion of it w/ Peter Jennings (or = someone) led > me to believe that it includes a fair amount of explicit war violence fro= m > footage in Iraq. My daughter has not exactly been sheltered (her father = w/out my > knowledge allowed her to watch Ghost Ship (I think I mentioned here once) > which, when I found out what it was, horrified me). But again I'm back t= o the > discussion of what the difference is between children watching what they = know to > be pretend violence in a fictional film and watching real violence (remem= ber > the teachers who allowed the Nick Berg footage to be watched in their > classrooms).... How bad is the violence and how much is there? > Julie Krueger > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3DOriginal Message=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > Subj:[lit-ideas] fahreheit > Date:6/28/2004 7:16:24 PM Central Daylight Time > From:dsavory@xxxxxxxxx > To:lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Sent on: > > > I saw Fahrenheit 9/11. I think =E2=80=9CBowling for Columbine=E2=80=9D wa= s better. (I think > Morgan Spurlock=E2=80=99s =E2=80=9CSupersize Me=E2=80=9D was better than = both of them.) > > There are, however, plenty of sound bites cleverly edited to convince you= if > you weren=E2=80=99t convinced already that Dubya is indeed a moron and no= t just > someone who can be rendered inarticulate with a newscamera in his face. B= ut > come on, has there been a softer target in the history of politics than B= ush? > And the problem with American foreign policy is surely not that there is = a > moron at the helm but that it follows the same pattern of exploitation, > humiliation and oppression as it has for over one hundred years with Bush > doing exactly what every other president has done. > > Fahrenheit 9/11 is a little scattershot: Moore is so full of anger he doe= sn=E2=80=99t > develop a coherent case. Unlike Chomsky who marshalls facts into a series= of > objections that are at least consistent within a singular theme, Moore is > kind > of all over the map. He presents someone claiming there are more cops in > Manhattan than troops in Afghanistan attempting to root out Osama bin Lad= en, > but what=E2=80=99s the point? Should there have twice as many troops depl= oyed? Ten > times? He makes a lot of ominous connections between the Saudi royal fami= ly > and the Bush family and leaves us with the =E2=80=9Cstunner=E2=80=9D that= Saudis own > something > like 7% of America but what=E2=80=99s the point? That Osama bin Laden (wh= o is > actually > quite close to all the other bin Ladens) would destroy something that the= y > have a huge financial stake in? Are we supposed to think Osama is as stup= id > as > Dubya? > > Still, Moore does some things pretty well. I think he makes a nice case t= hat > the soldiers in the war are not very clear why they=E2=80=99re in Iraq an= d he does a > really nice job with a woman who went from being pro-war to anti-war afte= r > her > son was killed. This proves the charge that he=E2=80=99s anti-soldier is = wrong. > > It=E2=80=99s appropriately funny in spots and horrifying in others but th= is should > have been a deeper dissection of the corporatist assumptions that govern = the > political culture in Washington not a driveby bash at a moron. > > David Savory > Vancouver > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, > digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, > digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html > ------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html