[lit-ideas] Re: World order??
- From: "Judith Evans" <judithevans001@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 20:23:30 +0100
Erratum:
it seems we can kick Hamza out, as his citizenship was revoked (by a neat
new little repressive law of the kind we have over here..). But there's a
hold-up of the kind to which such cases tend.
Addenda: Hamza took that mosque over; the trustees did a deal with him so
they could get back, then suspended him. I think they have now expelled him.
But he can't be stopped from preaching outside the mosque unless be breaks
the Public Order Act (which applies to speech your First Amendment would not
support, but is more widely applied than that) or the analogous clauses
(incitement) of the Race Relations Act.
Judy Evans
jaye@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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[mailto:lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Steven G. Cameron
Sent: 26 April 2004 23:12
To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: World order??
**One hopes you're correct. Of course, many earth shattering
political/religious movements started small -- world miscalculating them
as minor annoyances.
TC,
Judith Evans wrote:
> I don't know, Steve. It sounds exaggerated to me (re the UK) and ignores,
> e.g., the Muslims who marched for peace (i.e. against violence) *in
> Luton* -- where the piece was filed -- yesterday (they were not all
> "old/er"). I accept that that's a counter-acting factor, as is the amount
> of information our police get from the Muslim community (enabling them
> easily to locate and arrest various terrorist suspects without any kind of
> shoot-out or even force). I also know that there is disaffection among
> Muslim youth here.
>
>
>>Western democracies to establish an Islamic superstate under Shariah law,
>
>
> as the piece says, it is a small group; and the "official" national Muslim
> group that believes this is also small. What I can't tell is how
> exaggerated the NYT piece is.
>
> I wouldn't say it's fantasy.
>
> FYI
>
>
> On Friday, Abu Hamza, the cleric accused of tutoring Richard Reid before
he
> tried to blow up a Paris-to-Miami jetliner with explosives hidden in his
> shoe, urged a crowd of 200 outside his former Finsbury Park mosque to
> embrace death and the "culture of martyrdom."
>
>
> that was the mosque the police raided (sent in helicopters, battered down
> the doors): the main Muslim organizations here announced that this was not
> desecration as it was not aimed at the mosque's religious activities.
(Arms
> were found there, and terrorist suspects -- not British.) The Govt is
trying
> to kick Hamza out, but there's a problem: he's a UK citizen. We are
kicking
> out -- back to you -- a US imam alleged to have taught Richard Reid, but
> that was easy, his application for asylum was turned down. I believe
though
> the Govt has hopes of getting him.
>
>
>
> Judy Evans
> jaye@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Steven G. Cameron
> Sent: 26 April 2004 14:47
> To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [lit-ideas] World order??
>
>
>
> Fantasy??
>
> TC,
>
> /Steve Cameron, NJ
>
> -----
>
> From today’s New York Times, front page:
> http://www.nytimes.com/2004/04/26/international/europe/26EURO.html
>
>
> MILITANTS IN EUROPE OPENLY CALL FOR JIHAD AND THE RULE OF ISLAM
>
> By Patrick E. Tayer and Don van Natta Jr.
>
>
>
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