I don't know, Steve. It sounds exaggerated to me (re the UK) and ignores, e.g., the Muslims who marched for peace (i.e. against violence) *in Luton* -- where the piece was filed -- yesterday (they were not all "old/er"). I accept that that's a counter-acting factor, as is the amount of information our police get from the Muslim community (enabling them easily to locate and arrest various terrorist suspects without any kind of shoot-out or even force). I also know that there is disaffection among Muslim youth here. >Western democracies to establish an Islamic superstate under Shariah law, as the piece says, it is a small group; and the "official" national Muslim group that believes this is also small. What I can't tell is how exaggerated the NYT piece is. I wouldn't say it's fantasy. FYI >> On Friday, Abu Hamza, the cleric accused of tutoring Richard Reid before he tried to blow up a Paris-to-Miami jetliner with explosives hidden in his shoe, urged a crowd of 200 outside his former Finsbury Park mosque to embrace death and the "culture of martyrdom." >>> that was the mosque the police raided (sent in helicopters, battered down the doors): the main Muslim organizations here announced that this was not desecration as it was not aimed at the mosque's religious activities. (Arms were found there, and terrorist suspects -- not British.) The Govt is trying to kick Hamza out, but there's a problem: he's a UK citizen. We are kicking out -- back to you -- a US imam alleged to have taught Richard Reid, but that was easy, his application for asylum was turned down. I believe though the Govt has hopes of getting him. Judy Evans jaye@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx -----Original Message----- From: lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Steven G. Cameron Sent: 26 April 2004 14:47 To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [lit-ideas] World order?? Fantasy?? TC, /Steve Cameron, NJ ----- From today’s New York Times, front page: http://www.nytimes.com/2004/04/26/international/europe/26EURO.html MILITANTS IN EUROPE OPENLY CALL FOR JIHAD AND THE RULE OF ISLAM By Patrick E. Tayer and Don van Natta Jr. ------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html