**One hopes you're correct. Of course, many earth shattering political/religious movements started small -- world miscalculating them as minor annoyances. TC, Judith Evans wrote: > I don't know, Steve. It sounds exaggerated to me (re the UK) and ignores, > e.g., the Muslims who marched for peace (i.e. against violence) *in > Luton* -- where the piece was filed -- yesterday (they were not all > "old/er"). I accept that that's a counter-acting factor, as is the amount > of information our police get from the Muslim community (enabling them > easily to locate and arrest various terrorist suspects without any kind of > shoot-out or even force). I also know that there is disaffection among > Muslim youth here. > > >>Western democracies to establish an Islamic superstate under Shariah law, > > > as the piece says, it is a small group; and the "official" national Muslim > group that believes this is also small. What I can't tell is how > exaggerated the NYT piece is. > > I wouldn't say it's fantasy. > > FYI > > > On Friday, Abu Hamza, the cleric accused of tutoring Richard Reid before he > tried to blow up a Paris-to-Miami jetliner with explosives hidden in his > shoe, urged a crowd of 200 outside his former Finsbury Park mosque to > embrace death and the "culture of martyrdom." > > > that was the mosque the police raided (sent in helicopters, battered down > the doors): the main Muslim organizations here announced that this was not > desecration as it was not aimed at the mosque's religious activities. (Arms > were found there, and terrorist suspects -- not British.) The Govt is trying > to kick Hamza out, but there's a problem: he's a UK citizen. We are kicking > out -- back to you -- a US imam alleged to have taught Richard Reid, but > that was easy, his application for asylum was turned down. I believe though > the Govt has hopes of getting him. > > > > Judy Evans > jaye@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > > -----Original Message----- > From: lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > [mailto:lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Steven G. Cameron > Sent: 26 April 2004 14:47 > To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: [lit-ideas] World order?? > > > > Fantasy?? > > TC, > > /Steve Cameron, NJ > > ----- > > From today’s New York Times, front page: > http://www.nytimes.com/2004/04/26/international/europe/26EURO.html > > > MILITANTS IN EUROPE OPENLY CALL FOR JIHAD AND THE RULE OF ISLAM > > By Patrick E. Tayer and Don van Natta Jr. > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, > digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html > ------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html