[lit-ideas] Re: Too painful to talk about?

  • From: John Wager <john.wager1@xxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 05:57:11 -0600

Lawrence Helm wrote:

When I was in boot camp, some boot went AWOL and committed some crime. I can't recall what it was, but something very serious like murder or rape. All the boots at MCRD were assembled and we had to stand at attention and witness the ceremony of this fellow in full-dress uniform having all his brass buttons cut off. There was some drumming also, slow beat, as he was marched off the field in disgrace. There are always some who will engage in heinous acts, but in the Marine Corps as well as the other branches of the American armed services, such behavior is not condoned. When it is discovered it is punished.


Aye, there's the rub! "When it's discovered."

When I was in Basic Training, I got my only "real" lesson in military ethics from our platoon training sergeant. A trainee asked the "dumb" question "Can I go to the snack bar?" (The snack bar was strictly off limits to trainees; NO trainee ever went to the snack bar.) The Drill Sergeant said "Sure you can go to the snack bar!" We were all astounded. Later, when the trainee returned munching his hamburger, the Drill Sergeant began yelling at the trainee and inducing a round of 50 push-ups. Further, the trainee was told that he would not be going on our first week-end pass, that he would be restricted to the company area all week-end. "But you said I could go!" the trainee said. The Drill Sergeant replied "Of course you can go to the snack bar any time you want! I'm not punishing you for going to the snack bar; I'm punishing you for getting caught going to the snack bar."

That was my real training in military ethics. It would be astounding if this were not still true to a degree today. I'm also reminded of "midnight requisitioning," something I HOPE U.S. forces still do--You do what you have to to keep YOUR unit operating even if it's at the expense of another unit. NONE of these things are particularly conducive to a genuine "moral" code.

To imply that heinous behavior is normative in the American armed forces is of course a lie. There are some who make such an implication, but they lie. It isn't normative.


I agree with you 100% here. We ARE better than the Islamists, by a large margin. We ARE worried by the actions of our troops, and we DO want to discover where they are engaging in such abuse because such abuse does NOT make the U.S. more secure. But there are two internal opposing forces in the military, "official" policy and unofficial practice, and right now it looks to me like the "unofficial" needs of the troops seems to have taken the upper hand.


When the average sergeant sees the mood of the country as "Do what you can get away with," it's sometimes tempting to follow suite.



The only forces whose targeting of children is normative are the paramilitary organizations called Terrorists, Islamists, Militant Islamists, Radical Islamists, Fundamentalist Islamists. They target civilians including children as acts of terror. And after they commit their acts of terror there is no stripping of buttons, no drumming, and no disgrace. They are considered great heroes it they survive and martyrs worthy of heaven if they don't. It is not too painful to talk of what is normative for are military and what is normative for theirs. We should do more of it.





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John Wager john.wager1@xxxxxxxxxxx
Lisle, IL, USA



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