When I was in boot camp, some boot went AWOL and committed some crime. I can't recall what it was, but something very serious like murder or rape. All the boots at MCRD were assembled and we had to stand at attention and witness the ceremony of this fellow in full-dress uniform having all his brass buttons cut off. There was some drumming also, slow beat, as he was marched off the field in disgrace. There are always some who will engage in heinous acts, but in the Marine Corps as well as the other branches of the American armed services, such behavior is not condoned. When it is discovered it is punished. To imply that heinous behavior is normative in the American armed forces is of course a lie. There are some who make such an implication, but they lie. It isn't normative. The only forces whose targeting of children is normative are the paramilitary organizations called Terrorists, Islamists, Militant Islamists, Radical Islamists, Fundamentalist Islamists. They target civilians including children as acts of terror. And after they commit their acts of terror there is no stripping of buttons, no drumming, and no disgrace. They are considered great heroes it they survive and martyrs worthy of heaven if they don't. It is not too painful to talk of what is normative for are military and what is normative for theirs. We should do more of it. Lawrence _____ From: lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Andy Amago Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 7:05 PM To: lit-ideas Subject: [lit-ideas] Too painful to talk about? Why has no one mentioned that horrendous beating of the Iraqi children by American soldiers? The mutant taped the whole thing while doing a play by play. They filmed it, just like the prison torture. What is it about people that they love to film themselves committing atrocities, big smiles no less. Richard Burton was so right.