In a message dated 7/8/2009 1:14:16 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, karltrogge@xxxxxxxx writes: "No... the logic is that 'water' is a bigger set than 'ice' since it also exists as liquid and gas." There is nothing 'inviting derision or mockery' there that I can see. But he had recently scolded Phil Enns, with "Adriano Palma is right: 'ice' is, as a matter of fact, water. ---- So Stone is _not_ using 'water' only for 'liquid water' -- for then his 'matter of fact' would turn out to be not a truism, as he expects, but a falsism. Oddly, the urban dictionary defines 'twater' in a matter different from Putnam's. Browning read Vanitie of Vanities, and thought that 'old nuns twat(er)' referred to some part of her attire. Wasn't that rude of him? Cheers, J. L. Speranza Buenos Aires, Argentina The water is wide (O Waly Waly) **************Popular laptop deals plus free shipping! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221917659x1201411421/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Faltfarm.media plex.com%2Fad%2Fck%2F12309%2D81939%2D1629%2D2) ------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html