The McGovern anecdote could use a fact check. The SU invaded Afghanistan in 1979 so it was essentially Reagan's war, and the 1979 Iranian revolution was blowback for CIA interference in Iran in the 1950's. As far as blaming Carter for the CIA's competence or lack thereof, why did not Reagan correct the situation if it needed to be corrected? Likewise George Sr. had been actual head of the CIA. Why did he not step in and correct things? Are you suggesting that Republican presidents subsequent to Carter were all engaging in learned helplessness? Clinton contrary to popular belief expanded the use of the military. He was quite the imperial president. He spoke softly but carried a big stick. As far as conservation, Carter was right. In fact, Carter was absolutely right. Conservation is the only solution for oil dependency. Energy independence is a myth. It can't be done. The only solution is extreme conservation, including public transporation; high density housing (but not particularly high rise, it takes too much electricity to run the elevators); eating locally; and yes, most assuredly, sweaters. Carter's synfuel project never got off the ground because there is no way to create a fuel with the BTU density of oil. Physically it can't be done. Hydrogen is but a vehicle for energy; it's not energy. Coal is dirty, expensive to convert such that it's virtually not worth converting and it takes a lot of another quickly dwindling resource, which is water. Wind and solar are good but they don't have smallest fraction of the caloric density of oil; wind/solar as now constituted might meet 1% of our needs. Ocean waves have potential, but that's limited to areas near the coast and again, nothing even approaching oil. And drilling won't work because the reserves, so called, since they're not reserves because they haven't been discovered yet, might last a few months, maybe a year, at today's rates of consumption. That they'll discover another Saudi Arabia is extremely unlikely. Plus it will take about ten years to bring anything on line because there has been no investment in infrastructure. Our rigs are all over 25 years old and rusting out since oil is very corrosive, some as old as 80 years. Guess why there's no investment? Because companies know oil is a dying resource and they're not sinking money into it. There's also a terrible shortage of oil engineers. Physicists were sidelined for hocus pocus with derivatives along with other people who might have otherwise gone into science but instead lusted to become hedge fund managers. So conservation is in fact the one major resource we have left. Like it or not, it is the best answer to our energy crisis. Carter knew it and it's more true than ever. Unfortunately, people have yet to figure it out. --- On Tue, 10/21/08, Eric Yost <mr.eric.yost@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: From: Eric Yost <mr.eric.yost@xxxxxxxxx> Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Sunday To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Tuesday, October 21, 2008, 6:16 PM >>Carter's debacle presidency? Some years ago, at a Democrat function, George McGovern was asked to name the worst US President. To the chagrin of his audience, who had perhaps expected Reagan to be mentioned for his deficit spending, McGovern chose Jimmy Carter. Many US geopolitical problems trace to Carter's term, including the present banking crisis, Islamic radicalism's proliferation, our incompetent CIA, and so on. If you recall, his solution to the energy crisis was not a strong initiative for independence, but the televised image of Jimmy himself in his cardigan sweater with the White House thermostat turned way down. Not exactly inspiring. Carter came out of nowhere too, just like Obama. No one knew Carter 18 months before the election, just like Obama. Hope it's not one of those Vico moments. ------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html