Carter's debacle presidency? He was the president who saw things the way they really were, that we needed to reduce energy use for example. The perception of debacle is that people don't want to know things the way they really are. They prefer Morning in America, i.e., spend and use it up as fast as possible. Ultimately that became Mourning in America, yet people still think Reagan's was a good presidency. Reagan unleashed the genie of debt, not Carter. Reagan's was the debacle presidency, not Carter's. Yet because Reagan talked everyone into a warm fuzzy fantasy and Carter told it like it is, Carter gets the debacle stamp. Emotions rule... --- On Tue, 10/21/08, Julie Krueger <juliereneb@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: From: Julie Krueger <juliereneb@xxxxxxxxx> Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Sunday To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Tuesday, October 21, 2008, 5:32 AM Points taken (although, who needs TV when there's the internet?). I too, have not experienced any real President during my lifetime. But that does not convince me that the individual in office is irrelevant to the direction of the country. On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 12:19 AM, Eric Yost <mr.eric.yost@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: >> He too, Eric, feels as though the rep's and dem's are simply two pieces of >> the same party and that it really doesn't matter who is President. I >> understand that, coming from him, because he is rather highly cynical in nature -- but it doesn' t seem as natural coming from Eric. I haven't had TV for several months and have been insulated from the images of agitprop. So it could be that. On the other hand, we haven't had an real President during my lifetime, so it's hard to get worked up over a silver-tongued, slickster machine-politico whose major appeal is the iconic realization of racial progress and whose shortcomings have yet to be exposed. I recall Carter coming out of nowhere as the shiny new thing and also recall his debacle presidency. Yet I am prepared to be pleasantly surprised. A surprise would be fine indeed. Maybe "the People" will be friendly? ------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html -- Julie Krueger Visit www.VoteForChange.com. Register to vote and help spread the word.