John, I agree with you all the way. Movie violence "unnerves" me, I wrote. I didn't say I'm not "bothered" by real violence. And I agree with your assertion that the sight of dead baby penguins in _March of the Penguins_ was disturbing, yet as you well realize, it wasn't shown in the film as cheap shocker material. Real violence is part of life, a significant part. But _Mr. & Mrs. Smith_ movie violence cheapens the very idea of life to the extent that a penguin's loss of its baby (or a human's loss) doesn't seem to matter to us. Oddly enough, we're reminded of our humanity, and experience it despite media-induced numbness, through a documentary about penguins. cheers, Carol ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Wager" <johnwager@xxxxxxxxxxx> To: <lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 1:08 PM Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Movies without Guns > Carol Kirschenbaum wrote: > >>Does _March of the Penguins_ count? It's the only movie I've seen in a >>theatre for the past couple of years. Movie violence unnerves me. >>Carol >> > REAL violence bothers me; pretend Hollywood violence that's as real as a > styrofoam cup does not. > > That's why I was more bothered by MARCH OF THE PENGUINS than I was > bothered by MR. AND MRS. SMITH. I know the Hollywood movie is more a > ballet with bullets; nobody gets hurt. But the shots of tiny dead corpses > of baby penguins was real; they weren't just mock-up latex. That's what > gave the Penguin move its strength; it was not afraid to show the natural > world as one of incredible violence and courage in the face of such > violence. > > -- > ---------------------------------------------- > "Never attribute to malice that which can be > explained by incompetence and > norance." ---------------------------------------------- > John Wager johnwager@xxxxxxxxxxx > Forest Park, IL USA > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, > digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html ------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html