Donal McEvoy wrote: "you had failed to provide a quotation in the text where W explicitly states that "'elements' contribute nothing to the 'sense'of a picture" As far as I know, this quote does not appear anywhere in the TLP. I never claimed Wittgenstein wrote these particular words. I did however claim that this reflects an argument in the TLP, and on several occasions gave arguments in support of my claim. I am afraid the best I can do is offer interpretations supported by arguments. Sincerely, Phil Enns Yogyakarta, Indonesia ------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html