1592 SHAKES. Rom. & Jul. II. iv. 77 Thou hast more of the Wild-Goose in one of thy wits, then I am sure I haue in my whole fiue. In a message dated 4/6/2009 10:30:20 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, atlas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx writes: JL: > What an excellent thought. Thank you. ---- Well, yes, you were saying, Roses don't (indeed can't) smell. A model (modal) datum. I'm glad I introduced J. O. Urmson on the objectS of the five senses. I thought Geary would provide further thoughts for each of the five. We see already with one. "Smell". It has the object-subject ambiguity: 1. Juliet smells. ----- Consider the remaining of Juliet's four senses: 2. Juliet sees. non-sequitur. But we do say, "She is a good looker" -- meaning "she looks good", not that she "looks _well_". So perhaps "look" rather than 'see' should be the paradigm for this sense. 3. Juliet touches. This is possibly ambiguous. 4. Juliet hears. This is _not_, prima facie, ambiguous. But cfr. Ursula, "Wagner hears better than it is". Finally, 5. Juliet swallows. Or _ ------ 1669 HOLDER Elem. Speech 1 Of the Five Senses, Two are usually and most properly called the Senses of Learning..; And these are Hearing and Seeing. Aristotle, for example, thought that 'akrasia' or 'sin' does not involve or cannot involve 'see', but 'touch'. If you get excited by 'seeing' things you are not incontinent, but if you cannot avoid _touching_ things, you are. 1841 T. R. JONES Anim. Kingd. (1871) 860 The sense of touch in Mammalia is diffused over the whole surface of the body. Usually reckoned as fivesight, hearing, smell, taste, touch. ---- Earlier called the five wits: see WIT. Any one of certain particular faculties of perception, classified as outer (outward) or bodily, and inner (inward) or ghostly, and commonly reckoned as five of each kind 1509 HAWES Past. Pleas. XXIV. ii. (Percy Soc.) 108 These are the .v. wyttes remeuing inwardly: Fyrst, commyn wytte, and than ymaginacyon, Fantasy, and estymacyon truely, And memory. 1541 COPLAND Guydon's Quest. Cyrurg. Ejb, In whiche of the ventrycles is the wyt of smellynge founded? 1532 TINDALE Expos. v-vii. Matt. vii. 98b, There is no breade in the sacrament, nor wine, though the five wittes saye all ye. JLS **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221621488x1201450096/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport. com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26hmpgID%3D62%26bcd%3DAprilfooterNO62) ------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html