You've got a "balanced" book on Iran? Give me the title. I'm always in the market for a good book on a subject I'm interested in. I've read a fair amount about Iran but plan to read more before whatever is going to happen happens. However I'm not interested in the Cold War at the present time. I have been in the past, but not at present; so I don't really care what the CIA did in Iran before Khomeini -- just as I don't care about the KGB sponsoring terrorism in that region during the Cold War. I have heard though that there is a large group of former students that wish they had the Shah back. Reports I've read and heard indicate that there is a sizeable pro-American element in Iran and the administration and others have hoped (vainly) that they would overthrow the Imams. You say Ilan Berman is a Neocon. Did you look him up? I don't really know very much about him, just what I read in a few reviews and on the jacket. I would be surprised to learn he is a Neocon. The Neocons have written very little. Also, very few would claim the term. It seems to include a policy of exporting Liberal-Democracy, but it can be argued that exportation was not the prime reason for regime change in either Afghanistan or Iraq. Perhaps Bush would have followed the advice of those who thought a benign dictatorship most appropriate for the region if not for the Neocon idea of exporting democracy, but in the days since Bush took office I have found very few books that could be termed Neocon. I think you are wrong about Khomeini being influenced by Communist tactics. He and Sayyid Qutb were both influenced by Stalinism. Qutb said as much in his writings but Khomeini implied that he originated almost everything on his own with no help from anyone but Allah. Nevertheless we see Communist terminology in his writings and Communist tactics being applied through Hezbollah. Lawrence -----Original Message----- From: lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Andreas Ramos Sent: Friday, February 03, 2006 9:44 PM To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Iran (1), The Revolutionary Imperative From: "Lawrence Helm" <lawrencehelm@xxxxxxxxxxxx> > No, Berman's book is not about what preceded the Ayatollah. He documents > just those things he writes about. Of course he avoids the past. It's simply too embarassing. But without explaining that, there's no way to understand the present. > Where did you get the document you refer to? Certainly not in The Land of the Free, where there is no censorship. Oh, no! It couldn't happen here. The book was widely available in Europe in the early 80s. It was fairly well known. I had a copy in German. Too bad I don't have it anymore; I'd scan it and post it to the web. > I have read that the Shah was the CIA's man. Not merely the CIA's man. The Shah was installed by the CIA. Why? Because Iran had a democracy. The CIA couldn't tolerate such nonsense, so they overthrew the democratically elected prime minister, installed a playboy twit, and then ran the country for decades as a private property to get the oil. Opponents were hunted down by SAVAK, the secret police, and imprisoned, tortured, or just murdered. That's why there was an Iranian Revolution: out of sheer hatred and disgust with the USA. When Bush says that he wants to create democracies in the Middle East, the Arabs laugh. They know the USA's history with democracies in the Middle East. The USA destroyed democracies and installed brutal dictators. > The Ayatollah, as Sayyid Qutb, was a big fan of the USSR. He patterned his > Islamic Revolution after the USSR's Marxist Revolution. The Islamic fundamentalist Ayatollah was a big fan of the atheist Soviets? Oh, right. And he snorted cocaine and danced the hootchie-koochie with Playboy bunnies. Ayatollah Khomeni rejected both the USA and the USSR because they were both atheist. He was a very devout, highly educated cleric. He installed an Islamic republic, where Islam is the central authority. Tudeh, which were the Marxist in Iran, came under severe repression after the Revolution. The Ayatollah didn't pattern his revolution on the Soviet model. Hardly. After the collapse of Shah, Baktiar took over the government. Khomeini returned from several decades of exile. Five million (or more) people gathered at the airport for his return. The government collapsed (it had no support) and Khomeini simply declared an Islamic republic, with himself at the head. There was no revolution in the Russian or French sense; no battle against authority, no underground movement, etc. The interim government just collapsed and fled. Lawrence, please. Read a balanced, fair history of Iran. You're reading only books by ultra-right NeoCons who are trying to create justifications for more invasions. They flat out ignore history. The stuff you're quoting is either so one-sided as to be false, or it's just plain wrong. Honestly, I'd guess some of these books are disinformation or propaganda by the CIA. Don't you people remember all of this? We (okay, except Erin) lived through this. It was in all the papers. The Iranian Revolution is important because like the French and Russian Revolutions, it's a turning point in world history. The Iranians were able to throw out the colonialists (the USA and the UK had controlled Iran). This was the first successful Middle Eastern change of power against the colonialists. We are watching the second change today: Iraq will become a major Islamic country. Both the Shiite and the Sunni leadership have asked the USA to leave and they want the timetable. Both have said that it's justified to fight against an occupation force. Iraq doesn't want the USA. When the USA leaves (and it's a matter of time), there won't be a democracy. It'll be an Islamic republic. With both Iran and Iraq as Islamic countries, Saudi Arabia will fall. The Saudi royal house is utterly corrupt. With those three major countries as Islamic republics, the rest of the Islamic world will follow along. The implications for the West are very severe: 50-70% of the world's oil is in the Middle East. They will control the oil. yrs, andreas www.andreas.com ------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html ------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html