[lit-ideas] Re: Hersh and the Devil's Advocate

  • From: Andy Amago <aamago@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx, lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Sun, 16 May 2004 19:03:12 -0400 (GMT-04:00)

It seems to me we are doing anything it takes.  President Clinton had ordered 
the assassination of bin Laden.  We stage revolutions as is convenient for us.  
The whole Rumsfeld deal says do anything (it took him 8 days to look at the 
pictures, he doesn't care if there's torture).  All anything it takes does is 
consolidate the Arabs against us.  We're spread too thin, we're barking up the 
wrong tree, and we used our last resort first, and in the wrong country.  Al 
Qaeda doesn't use WMD and that's what we've been chasing.  They use suitcases 
and cell phones and other unglamorous items.   Plus invading Iraq allowed al 
Qaeda to morph into a many-headed hydra, according to Clark.  We the U.S. 
looked at the map and followed it blindly and here we are, doing everything it 


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From: Scribe1865@xxxxxxx
Sent: May 16, 2004 2:53 PM
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Subject: [lit-ideas] Hersh and the Devil's Advocate

Assuming that SH is correct in his New Yorker piece, what's the problem? 
National survival comes first. The Devil's Advocate says that If the 
law isn't adequate to deal with a new situation -- international terror 
groups with access to WMD -- act first, then shape the law to reflect standards 
the new type of conflict.
The US is fighting an "asymmetrical" war with sophisticated terrorist groups 
who have no particular national affiliation. The Devil's Advocate argues that 
the military should be able to do ANYTHING short of civilian atrocities to 
fight al-Qaeda. ANYTHING, including assassination of foreign citizens, forceful 
interrogation of captured al-Qaeda, holding families of wanted terrorists, or 
anything else that will win.

Change the iconic hate figures here. Subtract the Bush Presidency. Imagine 
that we have a good Democrat in office. Imagine that we are not fighting 
Theofascists but International Dianetics (L. Ron Hubbard) Terrorists.

Got that? Okay. Now do you want the US to subdue the Dianetics Terrorists or 
do you want the Dianetics Terrorists to defeat the US? 

If we cannot fight the murderous followers of L. Ron Hubbard using current 
standards of international law, should we let them win rather than violate 
standards? If the US wins it can always improve its standards and practices; 
if the US loses, you better brush up on your scientology.

To insist on legal niceties in an unprecedented situation is like driving 
your car off a cliff because the map you have says a road should be there.

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