In a message dated 4/20/2013 8:55:53 P.M. UTC-02, donalmcevoyuk@xxxxxxxxxxx writes: in what way may ordinary language tell us what type of ontology we need? Well, I think the point is neatly made, by an Oxonian as Lowe is, in his distinction, in phrases like "red apple" between "red" and "apple". Lowe, who learned at Oxford and teaches at Durham (or Durhamshire, as I prefer), writes: "We should gravitate towards the FOURTH system of ontology identified earlier, the system which acknowledges the following distinct ontological categories as being fundamental and indispensable: 1) the category of objects, or individual substances 2) the category of tropes, or, as I shall henceforth prefer to call them, modes. Then there's the alleged univocal category of universals. Here Lowe hastens to add: "It is then but a short step to my own [and indeed Grice's] variant of this system, which distinguishes between two fundamental categories of "universal", 3) universals whose instances are objects and 4) univresals whose instances are modes. -- hence the keyword: four-category ontology. The linguistic justification provided by Lowe, as per the query by McEvoy, echoes Grice in more than one respect (or mode): "This distinction -- between universals whose instances are objects and universals whose instances are modes-- is mirrored in language [or "ordinary English", as Grice prefers ("I speak English, not Language") by the distinction between general terms being either i) sortal or ii) adjectival. That is, between such general terms as 'planet' and 'flower' on the one hand and such general terms as 'red' and 'round' on the other." "The former denote kinds of object, while the latter denote properties of objects.". McEvoy: "in what way may ordinary language tell us what type of ontology we need?" Part of this may be online, but I'll see if I can quote. In "Reply to Richards", Grice jokes on Russell's idea of a stone-age physics or metaphysics as embodied in ordinary English. "Me Tarzan, you Jane" -- that is not ordinary English. But the idea remains there. As in that cartoon showing two cavemen in Palmer, "Grammar". One tells the other: remember the good old days when all we had to care was verbs and nouns? ---- So, the point by English is that there is a stone-age PHYSICS reflected by Ordinary English. So we have LINGUISTIC CATEGORIES and ONTOLOGICAL categories. And it's via the refining of things like 'sortal' vs. 'adjectival' as applied to LINGUISTIC categories that sheds light (metaphorically) on the types of ONTOLOGICAL categories needed. When Richard Grandy and Richard Warner (that Grice calls, collectively, "Richards") thought of a sobriquet for their book, they came up with PGRICE --- Philosophical -------------------Grounds of --------------------- Rationality -------------------------Intentions ---------------------------Categories ------------------------------Ends. For Grice, the idea of 'category' is basic. He joked on Kant's four categories when discussing maxims of conversation (quantity, quality, mode, relation), and so on. I don't think it fits with Popper's scheme of the three worlds, because here we are only dealing with Popper's FIRST world. The second world corresponds to the psychological, and in terms of first-world entities, it's like a mode (a mode of experience, "I'm feeling happy", "I'm thinking of vacationing in Sardinia", etc.) The ontology of the THIRD world is not interesting for the pure metaphysician. Although it may do with things like: "I was reading Plato yesterday". Where what he read was not ONE PARTICULAR specimen of a book by Plato, but Plato's Republic. Similarly, "I was litening to a "Pomp and Circumstance" by Elgar, yesterday, as set with lyrics by Benson, Hope and Glory". We have the particular performances of "Hope and Glory", but we have like an item in the third world of objectived knowledge, or something. But again, the type of ontology Lowe and Grice are interested are is more basic since it concerns categories in language that justify the positing of a category of ontology. And so on. Cheers, Speranza ------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html