In a message dated 3/13/2015 6:21:20 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, donalmcevoyuk@xxxxxxxxxxx writes in "Re: Some Gettier examples": Donal Logician to the stars Which may be a good occasion to learn where and from whom Gettier learned logic in the first place. Like Donnellan (that apparently Max Black was unable to pronounce) Gettier was educated at Cornell. (I would think Black pronounced "Gettier" alla French, with emphasis on the 't' being "double", as Black would put it). Gettier's mentors at Cornell (or Sage if you mustn't) were, inter alii, Max Black and Norman Malcolm. -- The same that Donnellan had. Both Black and Malcolm had specialised in "Witters" (cfr. Austin, "Some like Witters, but Moore's MY man". Gettier, himself, was therefore, also attracted to the views of the later Witters. (Scholars on Witters distinguish between an early Witters, a later Witters, and a middle Witters -- not in that order: the Middle Witters came after the early Witters, and was superseded by the Later Witters. In the scholarship that Witters originated this is important because the Later Witters refuted the early Witters, but was indifferent towards the Middle Witters -- So note that Gettier's original interest was in the Later Witters ONLY). And then he (Gettier) left Cornell (or Sage). Gettier's first teaching job was at Wayne State University in Detroit, Michigan. He had to 'learn' philosophy as Witters would have ("lehren"). "Detroit", incidentally, was pronounced by Black, also alla French. At Detroit (or "Wayne", as Gettier prefers), Gettier's colleagues were Keith Lehrer, R. C. Sleigh, and Alvin Plantinga -- "all very intelligent men," in the words of J. M. Geary ("Indeed, I would not know in what order to rate them"). Because Gettier was short on publications -- and recall the adage to Plato's "Academy", "Publish or perish" -- and these were the days of the death penalty and the intricate use of parchments -- Gettier's colleagues urged him to write up any ideas he had just to satisfy the administration -- the "Wayne" administration, if you must. This is a _state_ university; which means that it is a state administration, too (unlike Cornell). The result was a three-page paper that remains one of the most famous in recent philosophical history. According to anecdotal comments that Plantinga has given in lectures, Gettier was originally so unenthusiastic about the essay that he wrote it, had someone translate it into Spanish, and published in a South American journal. But this can be all wrong -- South American does not really have a word for 'justify' which is an English word. What South American may have is a _concept_ for 'justify'. In any case, the translation was perhaps a _different_ essay, since South American uses different types of clauses and a different vocabulary altogether. In any case, the essay was later published in the United States. Gettier has since published nothing. -- In the St. Augustinian sense, he has, as Witters says (when criticising Toulmin from borrowing all his ideas for his DPhil Cantab, "The place of reason in ethics" from Witters), "Perhaps I am myself to blame, because although I never published-published those views, I did make them PUBLIC in seminars and stuff, which is a form of 'publish'. (Grice preferred to speak of his 'unpublications', which, he was proud to say, 'by far outnumber my publications!'. However, Gettier has invented and taught to his graduate students new methods for finding and illustrating counter-models in modal logic. Modal logic is not the forte of the later Witters, so it is evident that the later Witters was only Gettier's ORIGINAL interest. By the time he wrote his essay, he had heard Plantinga mention Plato and Ayer, which are the only authors Gettier quotes in his essay. Gettier later got involved with modal logic. Gettier also taught his students simplified semantics for various modal logics -- by 'simplified' he means, figuratively, 'swallowable', since some of the semantics alla Kripke are just "too much", and totally counterintuitive. In his article, Gettier challenges the "justified true belief" definition of knowledge that dates back to Plato's Theaetetus, but is discounted at the end of that very dialogue. So, it's not that Plato HELD the view. With Plato you are never sure, since, on top, he has Socrates SAY things. But Gettier also cites from Ayer, who did maintain the view (even if he used 'certainty' instead of 'knowledge'). This account of knowledge (episteme) as justified true belief (doxa) was accepted by most philosophers at the time, most prominently the epistemologist Clarence Irving Lewis and his student, Roderick Chisholm. (Interstingly, Donnellan's PhD disseration for Cornell was on necessary truth in C. I. Lewis). (And Max Black pronounced Chisholm as "cheese' em"). Gettier's article refuted this account by Lewis and Chisholm though some say that the validity of this definition had already been put into question in a general way by the work of, who other but the later Witters. (Grice disagreed since he stated cleverly that Witters did not know how to use 'know'). Later, a similar argument to Gettier was found in the papers of Bertrand Russell -- 'unpublications', as Grice would prefer. The logic of Gettier's reasoning is simple, or complicated, "depending on your point of view". Cheers, Speranza ------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html