[liblouis-liblouisxml] Re: Japanese language support
- From: "John J. Boyer" <john.boyer@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: liblouis-liblouisxml@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2012 00:23:31 -0500
Looking at your patch, I realize that the lou_translate tool needs a
thorough update. It was written before there was a mode parameter and
before there were position arrays or a cursor position. It needs a new
-m parameter for specifying the mode, and it needs to use the
lou_translate and lou_backTranslate functions. I can't make any
promises, since there are many higher-priority items.
In addition, you won't want to use the lou_translate tool for anything
more than testing. For production you need liblouisutdml which does
formatting and does support mode.
There will soon be a new release of BrailleBlaster It is still in a very
early stage of development, but you will be able to use the trranslate
subcommand to get the full power of liblouisutdml.
John
On Mon, Jul 09, 2012 at 01:30:05PM +0900, Takuya Nishimoto wrote:
> Thank you for suggestions.
>
> Because lou_translate does not support otherTrans mode, I have
> modified the code.
> With the attached patch, I verified that the wrapper.c is used as follows:
>
> $ echo "123" | ./tools/lou_translate.exe -w japanese
> test
>
> Japanese braille system is very different from the character system
> for sighted person.
> Before applying rules, we should separate words and give
> pronunciations for each words.
>
> In many projects in Japan, morphological analysis system is used for
> separating words.
> Morphological analysis system is also used for Japanese text-to-speech
> systems.
>
> Japanese technical document contains English sentences (or other
> foreign language sentences) frequently.
> In this case, English braille system is also used with special quotation
> marks.
> So it is preferable to reuse liblouis for the part.
>
> Currently we are making specifications of our translator, to develop
> Japanese version of NVDA.
> However, our goal is to give feedback to liblouis project.
>
> Best regards,
>
> --
> Takuya Nishimoto
>
> 2012/7/9 John J. Boyer <john@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>:
> > I've been thinking that the Japanese people might make a sort of plug-in
> > for liblouis using the facilities in the wrappers.c module. It would
> > then have the same API as liblouis and could be used in NVDA. Of course
> > they would have to do most of the work.
> >
> > John
> >
> > On Sun, Jul 08, 2012 at 08:02:05AM -0700, John Gardner wrote:
> >> Hi, getting good Japanese braille and good Chinese braille are both very
> >> difficult propositions. A given Chinese character whether used in Chinese
> >> or Japanese can have dozens of different pronounciations and meanings,
> >> depending on context. So a good braille translation requires a great deal
> >> of context dependence, and this is not something that liblouis is designed
> >> to do. It would be a major undertaking to determine what, if anything, can
> >> be added to liblouis to make it sufficiently context-dependent. A big job
> >> indeed.
> >>
> >> Good luck.
> >>
> >> John G
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: liblouis-liblouisxml-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> [mailto:liblouis-liblouisxml-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Takuya
> >> Nishimoto
> >> Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2012 10:49 PM
> >> To: liblouis-liblouisxml@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> Subject: [liblouis-liblouisxml] Japanese language support
> >>
> >> Dear list members,
> >>
> >> I am working for Japanese language support of NVDA screen reader.
> >>
> >> There are no open-source braille engine commonly used in Japan.
> >> I am studying liblouis to discuss how to implement open-source Japanese
> >> braille translation engine.
> >>
> >> Liblouis seems very difficult to support Japanese without adding new
> >> operation commands.
> >>
> >> However, louis is the standard engine in the open-source world, so if louis
> >> can support Japanese, it will help not only NVDA, but also other products
> >> such as GNOME or DAISY pipeline.
> >>
> >> Please let me know if there are related efforts or discussions in the past.
> >>
> >> Best regards,
> >> --
> >> Takuya Nishimoto
> >> For a description of the software, to download it and links to project
> >> pages
> >> go to http://www.abilitiessoft.com
> >>
> >> For a description of the software, to download it and links to
> >> project pages go to http://www.abilitiessoft.com
> >
> > --
> > John J. Boyer, Executive Director
> > GodTouches Digital Ministry, Inc.
> > http://www.godtouches.org
> > Madison, Wisconsin, USA
> > Peace, Love, Service
> >
> > For a description of the software, to download it and links to
> > project pages go to http://www.abilitiessoft.com
--
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Abilitiessoft, Inc.
http://www.abilitiessoft.com
Madison, Wisconsin USA
Developing software for people with disabilities
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