I think this sort of thing is endemic, at least with the free AVs I have= tried. = The thing which got me aggravated about Avast! was its habit of somehow = pawing through "My Documents" folder every time I come to startup screen= , and finding various false positives I had not even opened in folders I= had not looked at. Then I would have to test these [with virustotal or = similar] and if they are really false positive put them in password prot= ected archives [so they would not be flagged again by Avast!]. I could s= top this behavior by turning off realtime antiviral, but then you have n= o protection and the XP "Windows Security Alert" icon gets red and nasty= ;). So I go to Avira Antivir Personal, and find it has a similar behavior, e= xcept with ten times more false positives! To update my prior, it is not= correct you cannot shut off program updates: the notify me first settin= g wants to send you an email from inside your computer, so you have to e= nter all that SMTP stuff I forget: why it could not just popup and say "= hey, we have a program update you might want" like most other softwares?= The latest stopper is now Avira has not been able to connect to its ser= ver for three days [despite repeated automatic and manual efforts] and "= Windows Security Alert" is admonishing me again, not to mention no signa= ture updates. = Now, different people tout different AVs for different reasons, some tec= hnical or trivial. Figuring out which meets YOUR needs [as a unique huma= n user who is seldom attacked by malware] can be difficult. = So it seems each of the three freebies are less than ideal. There are th= ose like NOD32 which have a reputation of being light and effective. = I think one of the big "problems" here is antimalware software now seeks= to protect one from all sorts of thing besides simply opening malware: = web pages, "bad" web sites [these sites may not be bad later and others = may be "bad" but not listed, and "bad" sites may not affect properly pat= ched systems, or not, etc.], rootkits, phishing pages, etc. We generally= buy into this, wanting "to be protected" [and not seeing much of this "= protection" is less than 100% effective, and you just need one malware t= o ruin your day...]. You can either shut off all this and still have it = [sort of] running [as George and anecdotal information suggests], or lea= ve it on and load down your computer till you think you are running Nort= on/Symantec LOL. I really think one great "solution" to all this would be Linux. No need = for all these software protectors as almost all of these threats simply = don't run in Linux. Of course you need to keep up your O/S and apps upda= ted in Linux as elsewhere. Imagine if your computer used virtual RAM muc= h less than it does now [so ran much faster with its 500 MB or more of R= AM]] and did not need to run antiviral, antispam, parental protection, w= eb site parsing, good/bad site signature, antitrojan, antirootkit, phish= ing site signature, etc. software before it could find or access a file = or webpage. Imagine this system did not even really need a software fire= wall, though you could certainly add a hardware router without slowing t= hings down. What would you have then? Linux, or Mac. Of course, there ar= e a very few things Linux or Mac does not do naively which Windows does.= Now we all have our reasons for doing what we do, and being "technically= correct" is probably much less important than inertia and getting the f= amiliar job done in the familiar manner with the least amount of perceiv= ed time and effort--including research and learning. This my 2=A2 + the "no inflation" our gov reassures us we are having :>]= thepccat -- "George Lunt" <glunt@xxxxxxxx> wrote: [...] = I upgraded early, unfortunately. AVG=3D 8 is a super resource hog. They added a spyware program and you can't "= =3D not install" it or even shut it off. If the Anti-virus part is running, = =3D the spyware part is too. Talk about ramming something down your throat. [...] To unsubscribe, send a message to ecartis@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with "unsubscribe juno_accmail" in the body or subject. OR visit //freelists.org ~*~