<Blush> Oxymoron indeed it is. Civil Engineer is my personal favourite. To add to an earlier comment about refilled cartridges ruining print heads, I have printed at times up to 40 reams of paper a year for 10 years using two HP printers (5600s) with refilled cartridges, plus for the last 5 years only, a small laserjet B&W only, so the 5600s were never redundant. Poor quality of refills due to tired cartridges, not damaged print heads, has finally forced a replacement with the HP1000 I mentioned before. Peter