Sorry controllers, flew VFR tonight Lymm Dam to Lleweni Parc. Used FSX under the XP emulator, no problems with the software. Hooray! I did talk to Manchester, he gave me a squawk and traffic reports, I reported my progress - Warrington - Ashcroft - Chester - Hawarden - then he signed off, so flew the rest on Unicom. Not a straightforward approach, you fly over a hill, and just when you think you are over it it comes up at you again! Gerry's local landmarks include an aerial not too far away to the north, and a cluster of balloons, which on my trip disappeared into the clouds. Frank T.