Well I think I am going to send a message to Microsoft because as it turns out the service is not down as I can sign in just fine with msn both 6 and 7 on my compact desktop pc. If some one on this list would be so kind as to send me the the e-mail address to send my message as I am unable to phill out the form because I get the cannot find swerver message everytime I try to do so when hitting submit. Thanks again for the help. Matthew if you want to chat with me you can use msn at matthewdyer483@xxxxxxx UIf you use aol my screen name is matTdD7 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.296 / Virus Database: 265.6.4 - Release Date: 12/22/2004 -- To post a message to the list, send it to jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send a message to jfw-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the subject line. Archives located at: //www.freelists.org/archives/jfw If you have any concerns about the list, post received from the list, or the way the list is being run, do not post them to the list. Rather contact the list owner at jfw-admins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx