RE: find command with IE
- From: "Chris Feist" <ccfeist@xxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 17:10:08 -0600
Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the virtual cursor follow the
actual visible cursor in processors such as MS Word? We're talking
about the virtual cursor also called the PC cursor, right? The thing is
that wherever I'm typing in a word processor is where my virtual cursor
is located. That's where the actual cursor is. Thanks.
Chris Feist - The one and only!
-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of jim grimsby
Hi, there is no virtual cursor in word or in any other word proseser. =
There
is a virtual viewer that you can use to make a virtual view of any =
window
and the jaws help jaws key h jaws key f1 jaws key w uses the virtual
viewer also. Hth=20
-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On =
Behalf
Of Yardbird
Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2005 1:44 PM
To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: find command with IE
I'm not talking about form fields or buttons. I'm simply talking
about=20
working with text in a word processor. Now, again, my understadnign and
=
experience tell me that the virtual cursor when I'm reading and writing
=
in=20
Word in fact is located in the identical place in the text where a =
sighted=20
user would see a "real" cursor. That is all I meant. Again, I
wasn't=20
referring to any of the other types of page elements in such an =
environment.
Only the text.
----- Original Message -----=20
From: "jim grimsby" <jimgrims@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2005 1:37 PM
Subject: RE: find command with IE
Hi, the virtual cursor does not follow any cursor at all. The fact is =
=3D
that the virtual cursor reads what is in the virtual buffer. When you =
move
=3D the virtual cursor over a link form field etc the browser is put in
=
to
focus =3D on said element of the page. =3D20 Hth=3D20
-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On =3D
=
Behalf
Of Yardbird
Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2005 1:27 PM
To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: find command with IE
Sorry, I didn't mean the Jaws cursor. I meant the regular cursor. =
The=3D20
virtual cursor. Sorry. I heard "Jaws" as meaning "the cursor we use =
=3D
when=3D20 Jaws is turned on." Sorry. My bad, as they say.
----- Original Message -----=3D20
From: "jim grimsby" <jimgrims@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2005 1:11 PM
Subject: RE: find command with IE
Hi, no the jaws cursor follows the mouse pointer where your jaws cursor
=
=3D
=3D3D is is on the mouse pointer so as you move your jaws cursor you =
move the
=3D =3D3D mouse pointer. The pc cursor on the other hand simply gives =
the
control =3D of =3D3D the cursor or highlight or what ever to the =
application and
jaws =3D reads what =3D3D it thinks it should. =3D3D20 Hth=3D3D20
-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On =
=3D3D =3D
Behalf Of Yardbird
Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2005 1:00 PM
To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: find command with IE
May I add that in a program like Word, the main point of focus on the =
=3D =3D3D
page=3D3D20 is *not* the mouse pointer. That's just a tool for doing =
=3D
things, like=3D3D20 selecting something, scrolling, clicking a button, =
and so
=3D forth. the =3D3D focus=3D3D20 point for the eyes and for the program
=
is in
fact a =3D cursor, which can be =3D3D
changed in appearance to be tall, or short, or look sort of like a steel
=
=3D
=3D3D I=3D3D20 beam. That's where you are within your text, and that's
=
what the
Jaws=3D3D20 cursor follows.
If this is not clear enough, I'll try to describe it again. But =3D =
the=3D3D20
discussion seemed to be getting sort of abstract so I thought =
this=3D3D20
clarification might help.
----- Original Message -----=3D3D20
From: "jim grimsby" <jimgrims@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2005 12:34 PM
Subject: RE: find command with IE
Hi, this is not true see the notepad find command in windows. In most =
=3D =3D3D
=3D3D3D cases the sighted person or any other user would use the find =
command
=3D =3D3D while editing or reading text. Internet explorer uses a =
verchual find
=3D in =3D3D3D =3D3D order to simulate a cursor so the ie find built in
=
only =3D
searches the web page =3D3D =3D3D3D does not place a cursor any where =
because in
a =3D standard web page there =3D3D is no cursor on the screen there is
=
a mouse
pointer that =3D the sighted user =3D3D3D =3D3D moves on the =
screen.=3D3D3D20
-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On =3D
=
=3D3D3D
=3D3D Behalf Of Bruce Toews
Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2005 11:15 AM
To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: find command with IE
It might help in this discussion to realize that a sighted person =
=3D3D3D
doesn't,=3D3D3D20 like a blind person, use a find command to place a =3D
=
cursor
=3D3D on a specific=3D3D3D20 word, so the find command as we use it =
would have =3D
little =3D3D if any =3D3D3D relevance=3D3D3D20 to a sighted person.
Bruce
--=3D3D3D20
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On Sun, 20 Mar 2005, Dave Speck wrote:
> The JAWS Find on the web is used for a blind user to find =3D3D
specific=3D3D3D20=3D3D20
> text on the screen, not the web page.
>
>
> Remember, He is Risen!
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Yardbird" <yardbird@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2005 8:23 PM
> Subject: Re: find command with IE
>
>
>> Judith,
>>
>> that's different, email. It isn't the same environment as a =3D
Web=3D3D3D20=3D20
>> =3D3D
>> page.
>>
>> Under what sorts of conditions do you find it necessary on a Web page
=
>> =3D
>> =3D3D
>> =3D3D3D
>> to
> use
>> Control Insert F? What advantage does that method confer?
>>
>> thank you,
>> Daniel
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Judith Bron" <jbron@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2005 4:58 PM
>> Subject: Re: find command with IE
>>
>>
>> Sometimes on the web I have to use Control, insert F. Also, =3D3D
when=3D3D3D20=3D3D20
>> reading
> an
>> email and you want to find something on the page insert, control F is
=
>> =3D
>> =3D3D
>> =3D3D3D
>> the only way to go.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Yardbird" <yardbird@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2005 7:06 PM
>> Subject: Re: find command with IE
>>
>>
>>> Hi,
>>> I know this myself, but the simple Control F has always served =3D3D
me=3D3D3D20=3D3D20
>>> for finding anything on a Web page. What's the purpose of this
> Jaws-specific
>>> find command? thanks.
>>> purpsoe alwyas ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Ricque" <ricque@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2005 3:33 PM
>>> Subject: Re: find command with IE
>>>
>>>
>>> The Jaws find command is:
>>> control, insert, F
>>> Ricque
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Arliedog" <ddlmh50@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2005 10:32 AM
>>> Subject: find command with IE
>>>
>>>
>>> Hello Listers,
>>> I am trying to help a friend learn to use JAWS. One command I =3D3D
am=3D3D3D20=3D3D20
>>> unable
>> to
>>> find is how to find something on a web page. I am wanting to search
=
>>> =3D
>>> =3D3D
>>> =3D3D3D
>>> for
> a
>>> word or phrase then have the cursor move to the first instance =3D3D
of=3D3D3D20=3D3D20
>>> that
>> word
>>> or phrase.
>>> Thanks
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