Re: OE Silences
- From: "Yardbird" <yardbird@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2007 09:48:36 -0700
Hi Peter,
No problem. You do whatever feels vitally more efficient to you. I work at
my computer all day as you do, only perhaps not under the time or
productivity constraints that must characterize your work environment.
Please understand that this doesn't mean I'm doing everything slowly or
ponderously or idly during my own working day, okay? But some of us are
apparently focused very tightly on efficiency down to counting keystrokes,
however intuitive, instantaneous and effortless said keystrokes may be, and
some of us are not.
More to the point, and this is purely a personal preference, I really feel
more comfortable and in control of my email the way I handle it. Just
because I want to close an email I've read doesn't at all necessarily mean I
wish to delete it and have the next one automatically open itself,, no more
than as if, while still sighted enough to read print, I once tossed
immediately into the wastebasket every postal letter I'd taken from its
envelope and read. More likely, that letter would go onto my desk to sit for
a while.
Yes, one may think of email as being more ephemeral and instantaneously
assessable in terms of its value beyond that first cursory reading, and a
good many of the emails I get, specifically from a high traffic list like
this, where many messages are either redundant or not informative in a
positive sense, certainly get deleted, but even then, not until I close
them. To again use the postal mail analogy, I prefer to read or reread the
message listing in my Inbox providing the sender's name and the subject
before choosing to open it, just as I might decide whether or not to open
snail mail only after looking at the return address and any hint on the
envelope of what might be inside. The letter from a dear friend in San
Francisco or the legal documents I requested from my attorney get opened,
the pitch for auto insurance for this no longer driving man get tossed,
without bothering to slit the envelope and extract its contents.
Okay, that's me. Just trying to explain that. In any case, I'll stop now
instead of taking more of both of our time to extend and further clarify
this comparison. Even for someone without a personal memory of handling
snail mail by looking at it before deciding whether to open it, this should
be understandable enough. Even now, when I can see an envelope but can't at
all read what's printed on it, I have developed my ways of guessing by the
envelope's paper, by the presence or absence of a glassine window, and a
number of other criteria whether to open it and scan at least a page of it
in Open Book or not.
All that said, it's each to his or her own, Peter. The above isn't written
to convince anyone of the superiority of handling email "manually," but just
to explain why to one person here, if to no one else, it may seem not only
comfortably familiar and concept as well as providing a certain sense of
choice and control, but may be quite efficient enough for that person's
requirements, if he is not functioning under duress. Which this person is
not. Time is limited, our time on this earth, but Death in his cowled cloak
isn't hovering over me as I process email like a time clock and a department
supervisor. Now there's a joke in there about playing chess with death, or
the supervisor, to win life or freedom, but that depends on knowing the
Ingmar Bergman movie The Seventh Seal. So for anyone in this company for
whom the reference is meaningful, hope it elicits a grin.
Very well, then. A fine Sunday to all.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter Holdstock" <peterholdstock@xxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 6:01 AM
Subject: Re: OE Silences
This sounds like a lot of extra work to me. I sit all day working in the
office, typing, and using keyboard shortcuts instead of the mouse. Over a
day or a week, that method really does add extra time and key presses which
you don't need.
People on here have made an argument in later messages that this doesn't
take long to do, but if you work in a busy office all day long, trust me it
causes fatigue, and you don't need it. It's just more things to think about.
Especially if the keyboard you use isn't particularly good for using all the
time.
Peter
----- Original Message -----
From: "Yardbird" <yardbird@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 10:45 PM
Subject: Re: OE Silences
> Hi guys,
> I'm aware that those of you who prefer your method of going through your
> new
> messages the way you've described (deleting an open message from within
> it
> in order to automatically open the next message) may just dismiss this
> thought, and that's okay. But I've used a simpler, more manual method
> forever and am perfectly happy with it, and so I wouldn't even know if
> this
> particular glitch was happening if I were to install the latest update.
>
> And that is, when I am in my OE Inbox and its list of received messages, I
> open any message I wish to read same as anyone does. Then, no matter
> whether
> I want to delete it, or keep it around for a while before deciding what to
> do with it, or move it to one of the subfolders I've created under Inbox
> in
> the tree folder view, I press Escape and it closes. Now, if I want to
> delete
> it, I press the delete key. If I want to move it somewhere for storage, I
> press Control alt V and move it. If I want to keep it in my Inbox for a
> while to look at again later, I leave it be. And then I arrow down one
> step
> to the next unopened message, and press Enter to open it.
>
> Now, if this sounds like an awful lot of trouble to those of you who are
> saying your favorite feature doesn't work well enough anymore, it isn't
> any
> trouble at all. A single flick of the finger on this key, and that key,
> and
> that's all. Fast as lightning. And no problems with whether Jaws is
> performing that automated feature nicely or not.
>
> That's all. I don't want to start some kind of controversy over bout how
> there are a million ways to do things in Windows or Jaws, or whatever it
> is
> that gets people flaming you when you describe an alternate method of
> doing
> something. I'm just saying, a person could do this, if they felt like it.
> Let a hundred flowers bloom in the courtyard, and all that. Two extra
> points
> for anyone who recognizes the reference. :-)
>
> Peace, love and Happy Cinco de Mayo.----- Original Message -----
> From: "Vicky Collins" <v-collins@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 2:09 PM
> Subject: Re: OE Silences
>
>
> I'm not sure if you saw my message of last night where I talked about a
> similar problem with OE. So, just in case, I'll ask to make sure. When
> you
> get that silence after hitting the delete key, are you waiting several
> seconds, say fifteen or twenty, to see if speech does start?
> Vicky Collins
> v-collins@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Adrian Spratt" <A.Spratt@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 4:37 PM
> Subject: OE Silences
>
>
> I've had few of the problems some JAWS users have reported with JAWS 8,
> except for little annoyances like JAWS saying buttons aren't available
> when,
> in fact, they are. However, this latest JAWS update has created a new
> problem in OE. When I go down a list of incoming messages, beginning with
> the earliest received, JAWS goes silent after the second or third message
> I
> delete. I'm referring to the process of reading a message, deleting it,
> and
> having the next one open. To get JAWS speaking again, I find I need to
> press alt-tab out of the message before going back in.
>
> This experience of JAWS going silent is erratic. Sometimes JAWS does read
> the next message.
>
> One more factor. When I go into the task manager with alt-control-delete,
> I'm finding that this updated version of JAWS seems to be using even more
> memory than previous JAWS 8 updates. After I close JAWS to get its memory
> usage back to a basic level, the OE silence problem occurs less
> frequently,
> though it's still present.
>
> Agreed, I should report the problem to FS, but I'm wondering if others are
> experiencing this same behavior with JAWS 8.0.2107.
>
> A.S.
>
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