Re: Indent and text editors

  • From: "Bill White" <billwhite92701@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 19:11:17 -0800

In one respect, Dave, I must agree to disagree about editors and word processors being pretty much the same.
Some editors won't leave the text without formatting which can really mess up program code or a plain text file. 
Bill White billwhite92701@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Durber" <d.durber@xxxxxxxxx> 
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 2:37 PM
Subject: Re: Indent and text editors



Karen:

With all due respect, you are splitting hairs.
Whether you are using a wordprocessor Or a bear-bones text editor, they are 
both types of programs designed for editing text.  What differentiates one
type of text editing program from another, are the additional functions and 
features in word processors
Another comparison might be the difference between a family car and a sports 
car.  They are both cars, even though they were designed and built for two
completely different purposes.

Sincerely:

Dave Durber

----- Original Message -----
From: "1SmartDog@xxxxxxx" <1smartdog@xxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 11:51 AM
Subject: Re: Indent and text editors



Dave,
I defer to the programming professionals at the University of Oklahoma who 
provided the following, along with a considerable amount of very helpful
information concerning the text editors appropriate for writing

programming

code:
"Wordpad is perhaps better viewed as a very limited word processor, rather 
than an enhanced text editor. It defaults to a proportional font and RTF
(rich text format) for saving files. If you try to write (for example)

Stata

do files in Wordpad you may have considerable problems saving them with

the

extension do, trying to get Stata to read your RTF file, etc. Although
Wordpad has many extra features compared with Notepad, these are

essentially
word processing features and are of no use for editing text files. Hence I 
do not recommend it for that purpose."
The Wordpad you describe here is a "word processor" not a "text editor" in 
the language of writing code. At any rate, I was referred away from both

to

a more appropriate application. So, the answer to the question I did ask

has

been answered. JFW will, of course, behave differently in a text editor
(Notepad) than it will in a word processor (Wordpad).

If you're interested and would like the links to the information the
univesity guys referred me to, I'm glad to send them off list.

Karen

----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave Durber" <d.durber@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 6:18 AM
Subject: Re: Indent and text editors


> Karen:
>
> You are incorrect, when you imply that WordPad is not a pure text

editor,

> because it is.
>
> In fact, WordPad is a very basic bear-bones word processor, with very
> basic
> word processing functions.  This means that things such as centering,

tab

> spacing, bullet styles and paragraphs etc., are available to indicate

how
> text should be placed on a line and how text should appear on a page > for 
a

> particular document.
>
> Whereas Notepad, on the other hand, has no word processing functions, > it 
> is
> a pure text editor, plane and simple.
>
> A good example for using Notepad instead of using a word processor such

as

> WordPad, is to create scripts for JAWS.  In cases like that, you must

make

> sure that "Word Wrap" is turned off before you save the JAWS Script

Source

> file.  If you do not do that, long lines of script code will be broken

up
> onto separate lines and will be treated by the JAWS compiler as > separate 
> lines of code.  As a result, the JAWS Script Binary file is most

unlikely

> not going to work at all.
>
> When creating a document, you should decide what type of document you

want

> to create, a document that has controlled formatting or a document that

is

> a
> plane text document which only contains hard returns to control the

format

> of the file.
>
> In summing up, both WordPad and Notepad are text editors, but they are
> used
> for completely different purposes.
>
> Sincerely:
>
> Dave Durber
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "1SmartDog@xxxxxxx" <1smartdog@xxxxxxx>
> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Monday, February 08, 2010 11:08 PM
> Subject: Re: Indent and text editors
>
>
>> Actually, the font settings are the same. I've just been doing more
>> research. I downloaded both "Context" which is a programmer's text

editor

> as
>> well as Notepad++. JFW functions in both as it does in Notepad.

Wordpad,

> it
>> seems, is not a pure text editor but does insert RTF codes. JFW sees a
>> tab
>> in Wordpad as "tab" in the code. In the pure text editor it just sees
>> spaces. I sure wish I could change it, though. I'd rather hear "tab"
> instead
>> of  the number of spaces.
>>
>> Thanks for the reply.
>> Karen
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Soronel Haetir" <soronel.haetir@xxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Monday, February 08, 2010 8:59 PM
>> Subject: Re: Indent and text editors
>>
>>
>> > My guess would be that this is due to how JAWS comes up with the
>> > number.  It doesn't (AIUI) actually extract the text, instead it

looks

>> > at the blank space and calculates how many spaces there are.  I'm
>> > guessing you use different font settings in the two editors.
>> >
>> > On 2/8/10, 1SmartDog@xxxxxxx <1smartdog@xxxxxxx> wrote:
>> >> I'm in a quandry over indent and text editors. Specifically, I'm
> looking
>> >> at
>> >> just Notepad and Wordpad. For programming, I want indents >> >> announced. 
>> >> In
>> >> both
>> >> these editors I've turned indents to announce. In Wordpad, what is
>> >> announced
>> >> is "left margin" "one tab" "two tabs", etc, which I like. In

Notepad,

>> >> lines
>> >> which begin at the left margin are announced "one space" and tabs

are

>> >> announced as "7 spaces". I don't like the Notepad results. Any idea
>> >> why
>> >> they
>> >> are different? Can I change this?
>> >>
>> >> Thanks for any help,
>> >> Karen
>> >>
>> >
>> >
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