Re: In using Insert F 7, why can't we use Save Target As?

  • From: "Judith Bron" <jbron@xxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2005 09:59:26 -0400

All right, the class dummy has a question.  If I wanted to send a link from
the jfwlite page or a program from the programs page is this the method I
would use to copy the link I want to send?
----- Original Message -----
From: "jim grimsby" <jimgrims@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 5:49 AM
Subject: RE: In using Insert F 7, why can't we use Save Target As?


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>
>
> back ground for those confused
>
> if i go to the jfw lite site for instance
>
> tab to programs.
>
> hitting the right application key should display the information about
> the=20
> program link i am on and.
>   not the page i am on.
>
> so if i pick copy short cut it should copy www.jfwlite.com/programs and
> not www.jfwlite.com
>
> unfortunately this copy short cut will not show up.
> This is not a jaws problem this is a long standing issue with internet
> explorer.  A sighted person can achieve the same problem by tabbing to a
> link and hitting the context key.=20
>
> interesting comment bruce, tried your suggestion and found it works some
> of=20
> the time.
>
> does not work on the yahoo home page site but did work on jfw lite. so
> add another page it does not work on.
>
>
> why using right mouse click works some of the time is a mystery to me
> when=20
> the right application context menu key does not.
> Well it is based on where the mouse is in a clickable zone.  Once again
> this is an internet explorer problem because jaws does not control what
> comes up with the context menu key.=20
>
> but i was under the impression to the others that commented that this=20
> function should work the same either way for sighted folks no matter
> what=20
> they selected, right mouse click for the mouse  cursor or application=20
> context menu key for the p c cursor.
> It should. Meaning that if a object is in focus pressing the context
> menu should do the same as pressing the right mouse button when the
> mouse is over an object.  Remember there is not any such ting as a pc
> cursor this is just a means jaws created to refer to the focus insertion
> point and highlight or selected index.=20
>
> both i thought should bring up the proper menu when no screen reader is
> in use.
> There again it should remember the menu brought up has nothing to do
> with the screen reader unless of course the screen reader is not getting
> to the right click zone.  Msaa and the  object model should tell jaws
> where that click zone is but in some cases the placement is wrong.  This
> is a known ms bug and should have been fixed way back in 1997 when David
> of synthavoice reported it to them.  But to date screen readers still
> have this problem also the problem of crashing or locking up as msaa and
> the object model go in to a lup as it tries to create a buffer. =20
> because jfw used to do so i still assume this is correct.
> Jfw did not use msaa and used some rather creative ways of getting the
> same info that involved reformatting the screen and all other manor of
> things.  This old method had a lot more problem then using the object
> model and msaa. =20
> i do not think window eyes does any thing to make this work correctly,
> it=20
> works with window eyes because it works in the operating system it self.
> I believe they have implemented some rather creative work around to this
> known bug.  Gw is known for doing such things. =20
>
>
> so i am all ears if some body with a little sight can tell me
> differantly. i could be wrong.
>
>
> i think this bug is tied to some kind of focus issue in jfw
> and it started when they started tapping into active accessability if=20
> memory serves me.
> There again jaws only moves the focus to where msaa and the object model
> tell it to move it.  Jaws in this case is getting the info and then
> acting according to the info it gets.=20
> maybe it has to do with the virtual cursor.
>
> bill
>
>
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