oK, thanks very much Jamal for this repost eh. I definitely saw it this time. hmm. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jamal Mazrui" <empower@xxxxxxxxx> To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Cc: "Geoff Chapman" <gch@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2011 10:34 PM Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: UIA - WPF and textblocks > Hi Geoff, > That is puzzling, as I just checked my sent mail folder and found the > whole message. Here is what I meant to say: > > Unfortunately, I think text screen writes for WPF controls cannot be > captured in the off screen model of JAWS or other screen readers, hense > the inability to review with the mouse cursor. User Interface > Automation (UIA, the successor to MSAA) is supposed to be a > comprehensive API that makes an off screen model unnecessary for WPF > controls, but if the API or keyboard interface are not implemented > properly, there is less accessibility than with controls based on the > Win32 API. > > Jamal > > On 3/22/2011 9:57 PM, Geoff Chapman wrote: >> Hi Jamal. >> >> This message below contains your name at the top, but no visible >> text/content from you that I could see? >> >> Would you care to check this and repost whatever your no doubt valuable >> commentary was upon this issue? >> I'm sure we'd all be the richer for it. >> >> Thanks. >> >> Geoff c. >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Jamal Mazrui"<empower@xxxxxxxxx> >> To:<jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >> Cc: "Dean Masters"<dwmasters@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >> Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2011 5:32 AM >> Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: UIA - WPF and textblocks >> >> >>> Jamal >>> >>> >>> On 3/21/2011 2:11 PM, Dean Masters wrote: >>>> I know Logos is supposed to be working on accessibility. they did >>>> change >>>> one >>>> combo box so that we can use the library. >>>> >>>> I think it is just the nature of the beast where you can't use the jaws >>>> cursor to read any text in wpf. Hopefully it will get figured out by >>>> the >>>> different parties sowe can actually read the text on the screen and use >>>> the >>>> mouse buttons on it. >>>> >>>> Dean >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Geoff Chapman >>>> Sent: Monday, March 21, 2011 12:32 PM >>>> To: jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>> Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: UIA - WPF and textblocks >>>> >>>> well that would suck majorly! whose job would it be then to bring >>>> decent >>>> accessibility handles to this platform, or whatever it's >>>> called.rendering >>>> engine or whatever. >>>> >>>> is it an fs thing that they need to support properly? or a wpf thing, >>>> that >>>> it's not exposing text to us like we need it to. >>>> >>>> whose door do we go knockin on to get this resolved. >>>> is WPF an ms thing? >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Dean Masters"<dwmasters@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >>>> To:<jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2011 1:18 AM >>>> Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: UIA - WPF and textblocks >>>> >>>> >>>>> the Logos Bible software uses wpf. I have jaws 12 and cannot read the >>>>> text >>>>> panels. they have included a function to read aloud the text and they >>>>> have >>>>> redone some of the combo boxes and list boxes so we can read them but >>>>> there >>>>> is still a lot we cannot do in this program. You can tab through the >>>>> areas >>>>> and when you hear "panel" you know that is where the text is supposed >>>>> to >>>>> be. >>>>> Then you can hit the applications key to save it but I don't think >>>>> there >>>>> is >>>>> any way a blind person can do real bible study including looking >>>>> things >>>>> up >>>>> with the wpf programming language since the text can't be seen so >>>>> can't >>>>> be >>>>> clicked on. >>>>> >>>>> Dean >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: Manish Agrawal >>>>> Sent: Monday, March 21, 2011 9:58 AM >>>>> To: jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>>> Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: UIA - WPF and textblocks >>>>> >>>>> Jaws 12 - the latest stable patch. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>>> [mailto:jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Homme, James >>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2011 12:09 AM >>>>> To: jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>>> Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: UIA - WPF and textblocks >>>>> >>>>> Hi, >>>>> Which JAWS version have you tried? >>>>> >>>>> Jim >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>>> [mailto:jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Manish Agrawal >>>>> Sent: Friday, March 18, 2011 12:14 PM >>>>> To: program-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx; jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>>> Subject: [jawsscripts] UIA - WPF and textblocks >>>>> >>>>> Hi, >>>>> At work, I am working on creating a WPF application , which is almost >>>>> completely inaccessible (as expected) out of the box. >>>>> There are several textBlocks on the screen that present useful >>>>> information >>>>> to the user but are not a part of the tab order and never get focus. >>>>> Jaws does a fairly good job with these in Silverlight where it loads >>>>> everything in a virtual buffer. However, with a WPF app, jaws doesn't >>>>> pick >>>>> up anything at all. >>>>> Also, UIA exposes a whole lot of information with grids but none of >>>>> the >>>>> screen readers seem to give me even very basic support for content in >>>>> tables, let alone full table support. >>>>> Combo boxes are announced as "combo boxes" and that is the end of it. >>>>> I >>>>> cannot figure out any way of reading the contents and current >>>>> selection >>>>> inside a combo box. >>>>> With NVDA, I am able to get to most of the textblocks and grid cells >>>>> using >>>>> object navigation. Object navigation is however, hardly a good way of >>>>> accessing an application as a user and gives very little sense of the >>>>> layout >>>>> of the content on the screen. >>>>> I also tried the demo version of the new window eyes 7.5 (it has UIA >>>>> support >>>>> now) and got results comparable to NVDA but because of lack of WE's >>>>> capability or my lack of practice with that product (not to mention >>>>> the >>>>> very >>>>> irritating 30 minute limit before re-boot), I couldn't make much >>>>> progress. >>>>> Has anyone done any work on these problems and made any more >>>>> progress - >>>>> specially with jaws or any other screen reader? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> __________� >>>>> >>>>> View the list's information and change your settings at >>>>> //www.freelists.org/list/jawsscripts >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> This e-mail and any attachments to it are confidential and are >>>>> intended >>>>> solely for use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. >>>>> If >>>>> you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender >>>>> immediately >>>>> and then delete it. 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