[jawsscripts] Re: UIA - WPF and textblocks
- From: "Geoff Chapman" <gch@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 01:31:39 +1100
ah.
hmmm.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dean Masters" <dwmasters@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2011 3:41 AM
Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: UIA - WPF and textblocks
>I recently wrote Logos bible software explaining a few things I saw and
> asking if they could fix more of the things on the main screen. I got the
> reply that they have been working on the search windows. I have not gotten
> that far so don't know how far they have gotten with that. but it sounds
> like they are wanting to make it accessible for us. But we may have to
> wait
> for years since they are limited in the number of developers they have.
> And
> also they have been making their latest Bible software work with Mac and
> IPod and IPhone.
>
> Dean
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Geoff Chapman" <gch@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2011 12:04 PM
> Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: UIA - WPF and textblocks
>
>
> | Hi Jim.
> |
> | all well and good I guess, so long as the actual platform itself has the
> | needed hooks for either screenReader developers, and/or any other
> | developers, to do the stuff they need.
> | it's my understanding, fostered on absolutely zero knowledge, that there
> are
> | platforms out there that perhaps do not do this? but, as I say, I'm
> speaking
> | here totally from gut feeling and no actual knowledge, so I too would be
> | happy to be corrected on this.
> |
> |
> |
> | ----- Original Message -----
> | From: "Homme, James" <james.homme@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> | To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> | Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2011 4:04 AM
> | Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: UIA - WPF and textblocks
> |
> |
> | > Hi,
> | > WPF is a Microsoft thing, and like any other technology of that sort,
> the
> | > developer must use it properly. And as I understand it, screen reader
> | > development is still working on this. I would be very glad to stand
> | > corrected on any or all of those points.
> | >
> | > Jim
> | >
> | > -----Original Message-----
> | > From: jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> | > [mailto:jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Geoff Chapman
> | > Sent: Monday, March 21, 2011 12:32 PM
> | > To: jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> | > Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: UIA - WPF and textblocks
> | >
> | > well that would suck majorly! whose job would it be then to bring
> decent
> | > accessibility handles to this platform, or whatever it's
> called.rendering
> | > engine or whatever.
> | >
> | > is it an fs thing that they need to support properly? or a wpf thing,
> that
> | > it's not exposing text to us like we need it to.
> | >
> | > whose door do we go knockin on to get this resolved.
> | > is WPF an ms thing?
> | >
> | > ----- Original Message -----
> | > From: "Dean Masters" <dwmasters@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> | > To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> | > Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2011 1:18 AM
> | > Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: UIA - WPF and textblocks
> | >
> | >
> | >> the Logos Bible software uses wpf. I have jaws 12 and cannot read the
> | >> text
> | >> panels. they have included a function to read aloud the text and they
> | >> have
> | >> redone some of the combo boxes and list boxes so we can read them but
> | >> there
> | >> is still a lot we cannot do in this program. You can tab through the
> | >> areas
> | >> and when you hear "panel" you know that is where the text is supposed
> to
> | >> be.
> | >> Then you can hit the applications key to save it but I don't think
> there
> | >> is
> | >> any way a blind person can do real bible study including looking
> things
> | >> up
> | >> with the wpf programming language since the text can't be seen so
> can't
> | >> be
> | >> clicked on.
> | >>
> | >> Dean
> | >>
> | >>
> | >> -----Original Message-----
> | >> From: Manish Agrawal
> | >> Sent: Monday, March 21, 2011 9:58 AM
> | >> To: jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> | >> Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: UIA - WPF and textblocks
> | >>
> | >> Jaws 12 - the latest stable patch.
> | >>
> | >>
> | >> -----Original Message-----
> | >> From: jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> | >> [mailto:jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Homme, James
> | >> Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2011 12:09 AM
> | >> To: jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> | >> Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: UIA - WPF and textblocks
> | >>
> | >> Hi,
> | >> Which JAWS version have you tried?
> | >>
> | >> Jim
> | >>
> | >> -----Original Message-----
> | >> From: jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> | >> [mailto:jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Manish Agrawal
> | >> Sent: Friday, March 18, 2011 12:14 PM
> | >> To: program-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx; jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> | >> Subject: [jawsscripts] UIA - WPF and textblocks
> | >>
> | >> Hi,
> | >> At work, I am working on creating a WPF application , which is almost
> | >> completely inaccessible (as expected) out of the box.
> | >> There are several textBlocks on the screen that present useful
> | >> information
> | >> to the user but are not a part of the tab order and never get focus.
> | >> Jaws does a fairly good job with these in Silverlight where it loads
> | >> everything in a virtual buffer. However, with a WPF app, jaws doesn't
> | >> pick
> | >> up anything at all.
> | >> Also, UIA exposes a whole lot of information with grids but none of
> the
> | >> screen readers seem to give me even very basic support for content in
> | >> tables, let alone full table support.
> | >> Combo boxes are announced as "combo boxes" and that is the end of it.
> I
> | >> cannot figure out any way of reading the contents and current
> selection
> | >> inside a combo box.
> | >> With NVDA, I am able to get to most of the textblocks and grid cells
> | >> using
> | >> object navigation. Object navigation is however, hardly a good way of
> | >> accessing an application as a user and gives very little sense of the
> | >> layout
> | >> of the content on the screen.
> | >> I also tried the demo version of the new window eyes 7.5 (it has UIA
> | >> support
> | >> now) and got results comparable to NVDA but because of lack of WE's
> | >> capability or my lack of practice with that product (not to mention
> the
> | >> very
> | >> irritating 30 minute limit before re-boot), I couldn't make much
> | >> progress.
> | >> Has anyone done any work on these problems and made any more
> progress -
> | >> specially with jaws or any other screen reader?
> | >>
> | >>
> | >>
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