[jawsscripts] Re: Difficulty scripting McTwit
- From: "Dennis Brown" <DennisTBrown@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 18:54:34 -0400
If they aren't used in any other programs, I'd give it a try.
Thanks,
Dennis Brown
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jamal Mazrui" <empower@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 3:10 PM
Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Difficulty scripting McTwit
> Hi Dennis,
> I tried ConfigNames.ini with the DLL that JAWS identifies as active with
> Insert+Q. It is also the one Script Manager uses to name the .jss when
> Insert+0 is pressed. Are you saying that I should try to do this with
> every DLL used by the program?
>
> Jamal
> On Tue, 16 Jun 2009, Dennis Brown wrote:
>
>> Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 16:04:55 -0400
>> From: Dennis Brown <DennisTBrown@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Reply-To: jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> To: jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Difficulty scripting McTwit
>>
>> Hi Jamal,
>> I'm coming in late on this, but did you try adding all of the dll names
>> to
>> ConfigNames.ini for your script set?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Dennis Brown
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Jim Bauer" <holdsworthfan@xxxxxx>
>> To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 1:36 PM
>> Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Difficulty scripting McTwit
>>
>>
>> > The script info unknown uses is retrieved from a JKM file. If you
>> > write a script, assign it a keystroke, compile, delete the script from
>> > the source and recompile while leaving the JKM entry intact, the name
>> > will be passed to unknown.
>> >
>> > As far as your actual questions go, I have no idea and wish I did. Is
>> > WXCore some sort of wrapper to mctwit.exe? If, say, mctwit was doing
>> > the grunt work and WXCore was just the GUI, that might explain some of
>> > the confusion.
>> >
>> > Perhaps JAWS only views an *application* for active configuration
>> > purposes as either executables or DLLs?
>> >
>> > Pure conjecture, though...
>> > Original message
>> > from: Jamal Mazrui <empower@xxxxxxxxx>
>> > subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Difficulty scripting McTwit
>> > date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 13:17:27 -0400 (EDT)
>> >
>> >>Hi Jim,
>> >>That helps, though I'm not there yet. If JAWS knows what script
>> >>the user attempted to execute, then wouldn't it get that info from a
>> >>.jss
>> >>or .jkm file? If so, why can't it execute the script that it knows the
>> >>name of, obtained from a particular file? Why does the AutoStart event
>> >>work in the associated .jss but not other scripts within the same file?
>> >>Even with the technique that now works (Brian's code that uses the
>> >>technique you described), I notice that application settings are
>> >>unchecked
>> >>for both wx._core_ and McTwit settings? If they are unchecked, why are
>> >>they active?
>> >>
>> >>I realize you may not know all the answers to these questions, but I'm
>> >>asking in case you or others can help explain this mysterious
>> >>situation.
>> >> I sure wish these script issues were better documented for developers.
>> >>
>> >>Jamal
>> >>
>> >>On
>> >>Mon, 15 Jun 2009, Jim Bauer wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2009 19:14:56 -0500
>> >>> From: Jim Bauer <holdsworthfan@xxxxxx>
>> >>> Reply-To: jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> >>> To: jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> >>> Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Difficulty scripting McTwit
>> >>>
>> >>> When JAWS can't find a script in either the JSB of the currently
>> >>> active configuration or any JSBs linked to the active binary via Use
>> >>> statements, the offending script's name is passed to the unknown
>> >>> function. In default.jss, this function is written to speak the
>> >>> infamous, "unknown call to script/function" <func/scriptName>
>> >>> message.
>> >>>
>> >>> Here, we're creating an application-specific override that looks up
>> >>> the JKM entry for the given script name and types the keystroke it
>> >>> finds.
>> >>>
>> >>> If you try creating scripts in WXCore and doling out keystrokes,
>> >>> nothing will happen when those keys are pressed in Mctwit. And if you
>> >>> switch to the Mctwit configuration and merrily script hotkey after
>> >>> hotkey in Mctwit.jss without the aforementioned override, JAWS will
>> >>> pass any script called to unknown.
>> >>>
>> >>> Original message
>> >>> from: Jamal Mazrui <empower@xxxxxxxxx>
>> >>> subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Difficulty scripting McTwit
>> >>> date: Mon, 15 Jun 2009 15:17:22 -0400 (EDT)
>> >>>
>> >>> >Jim,
>> >>> >I have not been able to get your technique to work, but since Brian
>> >>> >did,
>> >>> >I must not be grasping it fully. Can you explain conceptually what
>> >>> >this
>> >>> >technique is doing?
>> >>> >
>> >>> >Jamal
>> >>> >On Mon, 15 Jun 2009, Jim Bauer wrote:
>> >>> >
>> >>> >> Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2009 13:28:40 -0500
>> >>> >> From: Jim Bauer <holdsworthfan@xxxxxx>
>> >>> >> Reply-To: jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> >>> >> To: jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> >>> >> Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Difficulty scripting McTwit
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> This goes in wx._core_:
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> function Unknown(string TheName)
>> >>> >> typeKey(iniReadString("Common Keys", TheName,
>> >>> >> getCurrentScriptKeyName(),
>> >>> >> GetJawsSettingsDirectory()+"\\mctwit.jkm"))
>> >>> >> endFunction
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> Then, simply switchToConfiguration("mctwit" in WXCore's
>> >>> >> autoStartEvent
>> >>> >> function. Put your scripts in mctwit.jss.
>> >>> >> Hope that cleared things up at least a little.
>> >>> >> Original message
>> >>> >> from: Jamal Mazrui <empower@xxxxxxxxx>
>> >>> >> subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Difficulty scripting McTwit
>> >>> >> date: Mon, 15 Jun 2009 13:51:11 -0400 (EDT)
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> >Hi Jim,
>> >>> >> >Can you post sample code? I tried SwitchToConfiguration in the
>> >>> >> >AutoStart event, but it did not work. I also tried
>> >>> >> >SwitchToScriptFile.
>> >>> >> >I didn't understand the references to unknown function or the ini
>> >>> >> >file
>> >>> >> >in your message.
>> >>> >> >
>> >>> >> >Jamal
>> >>> >> >On Mon, 15 Jun 2009, Jim Bauer wrote:
>> >>> >> >
>> >>> >> >> Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2009 12:12:24 -0500
>> >>> >> >> From: Jim Bauer <holdsworthfan@xxxxxx>
>> >>> >> >> Reply-To: jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> >>> >> >> To: jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> >>> >> >> Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Difficulty scripting McTwit
>> >>> >> >>
>> >>> >> >> You can make Unknown work for you here:
>> >>> >> >> switch to the mctwit configuration in the autoStartEvent of
>> >>> >> >> wx._core_.jss. Also include therein an unknown function that
>> >>> >> >> looks
>> >>> >> >> in
>> >>> >> >> mctwit.jkm (via iniReadString) for the keystroke(s) it has been
>> >>> >> >> passed, then types the findings.
>> >>> >> >>
>> >>> >> >> HTH
>> >>> >> >> Original message
>> >>> >> >> from: Jamal Mazrui <empower@xxxxxxxxx>
>> >>> >> >> subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Difficulty scripting McTwit
>> >>> >> >> date: Mon, 15 Jun 2009 12:19:54 -0400 (EDT)
>> >>> >> >>
>> >>> >> >> >I have tried that as well, without success. Good suggestion
>> >>> >> >> >though.
>> >>> >> >> >
>> >>> >> >> >Jamal
>> >>> >> >> >On Mon, 15 Jun 2009,
>> >>> >> >> >Bryan Garaventa wrote:
>> >>> >> >> >
>> >>> >> >> >> Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2009 09:11:18 -0700
>> >>> >> >> >> From: Bryan Garaventa <bgaraventa11@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> >>> >> >> >> Reply-To: jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> >>> >> >> >> To: jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> >>> >> >> >> Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Difficulty scripting McTwit
>> >>> >> >> >>
>> >>> >> >> >> You've likely already tried this, but does the old method
>> >>> >> >> >> for
>> >>> >> >> >> passing keys
>> >>> >> >> >> through work? For instance
>> >>> >> >> >> {alt+t}
>> >>> >> >> >>
>> >>> >> >> >> ----- Original Message -----
>> >>> >> >> >> From: "Jamal Mazrui" <empower@xxxxxxxxx>
>> >>> >> >> >> To: <JAWSScripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> >>> >> >> >> Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 8:15 AM
>> >>> >> >> >> Subject: [jawsscripts] Difficulty scripting McTwit
>> >>> >> >> >>
>> >>> >> >> >>
>> >>> >> >> >> > As you may know, I develop a Twitter client called McTwit,
>> >>> >> >> >> > whose installer
>> >>> >> >> >> > is available at
>> >>> >> >> >> > http://EmpowermentZone.com/mtsetup.exe
>> >>> >> >> >> >
>> >>> >> >> >> > Although I try to make the application as keyboard and
>> >>> >> >> >> > screen
>> >>> >> >> >> > reader-friendly as possible, sometimes there are ways that
>> >>> >> >> >> > it
>> >>> >> >> >> > may be
>> >>> >> >> >> > enhanced in ways that are not presently practical through
>> >>> >> >> >> > my
>> >>> >> >> >> > coding alone.
>> >>> >> >> >> > I wish to promote collaboration in this and other open
>> >>> >> >> >> > source
>> >>> >> >> >> > projects, so
>> >>> >> >> >> > will work with anyone wanting to make a contribution that
>> >>> >> >> >> > offers
>> >>> >> >> >> > additional features.
>> >>> >> >> >> >
>> >>> >> >> >> > I'm writing now in the hope that someone on this list may
>> >>> >> >> >> > be
>> >>> >> >> >> > able to
>> >>> >> >> >> > resolve why JAWS does not recognize scripted keys for
>> >>> >> >> >> > McTwit.
>> >>> >> >> >> > Brian
>> >>> >> >> >> > Hartgen and others on Twitter have suggested alternative
>> >>> >> >> >> > hotkeys for
>> >>> >> >> >> > McTwit that work like an email interface. At present, I
>> >>> >> >> >> > am
>> >>> >> >> >> > implementing
>> >>> >> >> >> > hotkeys only by means of the Windows dialog engine, which
>> >>> >> >> >> > automatically
>> >>> >> >> >> > provides hotkeys of an Alt+Letter nature when the &
>> >>> >> >> >> > character
>> >>> >> >> >> > is used in
>> >>> >> >> >> > the label of a button. With some email-like alternatives,
>> >>> >> >> >> > one could also
>> >>> >> >> >> > do, say, Control+N for a new tweet (rather than Alt+T),
>> >>> >> >> >> > Control+R for a
>> >>> >> >> >> > direct reply, and Control+Shift+R for a public reply (like
>> >>> >> >> >> > "replying to
>> >>> >> >> >> > all").
>> >>> >> >> >> >
>> >>> >> >> >> > To our surprise, Brian Hartgen and I have not been able to
>> >>> >> >> >> > implement this
>> >>> >> >> >> > with normal JAWS scripting techniques, e.g.,
>> >>> >> >> >> >
>> >>> >> >> >> > Script NewTweet()
>> >>> >> >> >> > TypeKey("Alt+T")
>> >>> >> >> >> > EndScript
>> >>> >> >> >> >
>> >>> >> >> >> > where the .jkm file contains
>> >>> >> >> >> > Control+N=NewTweet
>> >>> >> >> >> >
>> >>> >> >> >> > This is why Brian has been trying to use the key pressed
>> >>> >> >> >> > event, with
>> >>> >> >> >> > unsatisfactory results so far.
>> >>> >> >> >> >
>> >>> >> >> >> > I asked Jeff Bishop if he could implement similar
>> >>> >> >> >> > functionality with
>> >>> >> >> >> > Window-Eyes scripting, and he has done so in a script
>> >>> >> >> >> > package
>> >>> >> >> >> > available at
>> >>> >> >> >> >
>> >>> >> >> >> > http://www.gwmicro.com/Script_Central/Scripts/Script_Details/?scriptid=1244
>> >>> >> >> >> >
>> >>> >> >> >> > Can anyone help us get this working with JAWS? Although
>> >>> >> >> >> > the
>> >>> >> >> >> > main
>> >>> >> >> >> > executable is McTwit.exe, Insert+Q reports that a
>> >>> >> >> >> > GUI-related
>> >>> >> >> >> > DLL is
>> >>> >> >> >> > active when McTwit is the active window. Still, JAWS
>> >>> >> >> >> > should
>> >>> >> >> >> > be able to
>> >>> >> >> >> > script such an application, as it does for others with
>> >>> >> >> >> > DLLs
>> >>> >> >> >> > that assist
>> >>> >> >> >> > the primary executable. I don't know if this might be a
>> >>> >> >> >> > problem, but the
>> >>> >> >> >> > DLL has a Python related suffix, rather than the
>> >>> >> >> >> > traditional
>> >>> >> >> >> > .dll. The
>> >>> >> >> >> > AutoStart event does trigger whenever McTwit is the active
>> >>> >> >> >> > window, but
>> >>> >> >> >> > scripts are not recognized.
>> >>> >> >> >> >
>> >>> >> >> >> > Suggestions, anyone?
>> >>> >> >> >> >
>> >>> >> >> >> > Jamal
>> >>> >> >> >> >
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