Hi Ian An interesting question. It's not only the four key ones that are contortionist. I find some of the three key ones pretty finger-twisting. The one I've been using recently is the MS Word one for insert the date, shift+alt+D. it's just that none of the keys fall into ergonomic simplicity and I have to hold down alt+D with the left hand, which isn't usual, and the shift with the right. Once you get used to it, it becomes easier but it takes some practice. I reckin we're running out of permutations. It would be interesting to hear whether anyone had any ideas about how we might find other ways of executing commands other than hotkeys. The old Frank Audiodata used to have a dedicated keypad wich could be programmed and you could do a lot more than you can these days without worrying about conflicting with other MS commands. Regards ... Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: Iain Lackie To: jaws Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2005 10:16 PM Subject: [jaws-uk] Key Combinations Hello, I have had cause in recent days to use the four-key combination to examine the advanced features of webpage elements and it caused me to wonder if anyone would like to suggest what they think the most unreachable JAWS key combination might be. There is no doubt that Freedom Scientific encourage us to go in for a high degree of manual contortionism. Iain.